Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

melanzana wrote: »

If only Remain side said exactly what you said there at every opportunity.. and include ALL our EU neighbours. It is unacceptable to have views on the Hard Leave side that do not consider anyone else at all. So sad to see UK like this. Why?

From my recollection Remain spent most of the campaign playing down the UK’s importance to the wider EU economy. I even recall Irish politicians boasting that Ireland will flourish with its continued access to the EU internal market. I don’t know where this guilt trip about the U.K. “trashing” other countries economies comes from TBH.

melanzana

Tromking wrote: »

From my recollection Remain spent most of the campaign playing down the UK’s importance to the wider EU economy. I even recall Irish politicians boasting that Ireland will flourish with its continued access to the EU internal market. I don’t know where this guilt trip about the U.K. “trashing” other countries economies comes from TBH.

UK is still in the EU. No noticeable change yet. But when (if) UK leaves they will not be helping other EU countries anymore. But people like you don’t care, sadly.

A great way to win friends and influence people for sure.

mayonnaise

Public sector worker has personal grievance with EU migrants who contribute on average £76,000 to the Treasury over their lifetime and as such contribute to pay his salary and gold plated pension.

As for 'voting Leave to inflict Brexit on the populace of a pro-EU Scotland'....how utterly sad.

I realise we live in an increasingly egotistical, self-absorbed society, but these levels of depravity still surprise me.

Enterprise_1701C

borntobefree wrote: »

20 million people didn’t vote in the referendum. 16 million voted Remain. Leavers aren’t the majority.

13 Million people did not vote in the referendum but 17.4 million vote Leave. Remainers are not the majority.

It is always a given that if you do not vote then you accept the way the vote goes.

Tromking

borntobefree wrote: »

As I said would it make any difference to you?

Do you actually care about other people’s jobs or our neighbours jobs?

The nature of discussion is that you try and persuade others toward understanding your position. Hey-ho, I can’t force you to justify your “trashing” , I’ll file it under Remainer hyperbole then.

As regards other people’s jobs (in the UK?) I’ve made a judgment call and feel that our nations interests will be best served by leaving the EU. You disagree, no problem with that.
When Ireland and Luxembourg decided to slash their corporate tax rates to a level that put the U.K. and the rest of the EU at a competitive disadvantage and thus attract tax avoiding multinationals and ergo thousands of jobs, were they thinking of their “neighbour” interests?

borntobefree

Tromking wrote: »

I don’t know where this guilt trip about the U.K. “trashing” other countries economies comes from TBH.

Why doesn’t that surprise me?

Look up “conscience” in the dictionary.

Might I politely suggest that you might not have one?

borntobefree

Tromking wrote: »

As regards other people’s jobs (in the UK?) I’ve made a judgment call and feel that our nations interests will be best served by leaving the EU. You disagree, no problem with that.

Right! So how is a no deal Brexit in anybody’s best interests?

Not that any HoC would be nutty enough to do it.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Public sector worker has personal grievance with EU migrants who contribute on average £76,000 to the Treasury over their lifetime and as such contribute to pay his salary and gold plated pension.

As for 'voting Leave to inflict Brexit on the populace of a pro-EU Scotland'....how utterly sad.

I realise we live in an increasingly egotistical, self-absorbed society, but these levels of depravity still surprise me.

Ha ha ha!
You’ve literally spent three years being one of the most mean spirited posters on here.
From almost anyone else Mayo, but not you?

melanzana

I happen to be in Andalucia in the hills near Casares at the moment. A town on the coast has a lot of immigrant Brits. Yes the egg and bacon gang and the bowls club etc. Mostly retired like myself!

We drove down and the place is practically deserted. Asked around and many have returned to UK.

Now I have no idea if that is the case, but we always come here at this time of year and it is usually heaving with British immigrants. Not right now though.

Anyway, back to the hills for us sans bacon and eggs!

SouthLondonUser

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

13 Million people did not vote in the referendum but 17.4 million vote Leave. Remainers are not the majority.

It is always a given that if you do not vote then you accept the way the vote goes.

Leavers were the majority at the referendum - true. I suppose the European elections will be a good test to see if sentiment and/or demographics have changed in the meanwhile (e.g. how many pro Brexit old people have died and how many pro EU young people are now eligible to vote?).

However, it is also true that:

• It wasn't a binary choice; Remain has always meant the status quo; Brexit has always meant many incompatible things. If 48% of a family want to stay put, 26% want to go to France and 26% to Spain, the real majority is for staying put!
• most countries do not allow referendums on such matters, and that's a good thing, because allowing referendums on complex matters and on non-binary choices is recipe for disaster, as we have seen
• a qualified majority is needed for more trivial things; e.g. a 2/3 majority (please correct me if I am confusing numbers) is needed for the House of Commons to call an early election, yet a simple majority is sufficient for such a life-changing referendum? I have no words...