Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Let’s be kind and say that the leave campaign stretched the truth a little But that is what usually happens in elections. Incumbents get voted for on their record, challengers get voted for on their promises.

No one wants to debate the issues that are behind the referendum vote. Even now. The EU has nothing to offer. Remain wishes to maintain the staus quo. Hardly surprising that the country is dividing the middle. Meanwhile the political elite , the DUP, Corbyn , SNP , Sinn Fein etc. Continue to harbour ideology from another era. Out of touch with the now unrepresented majority.

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

No, you are incorrect.
Was the threat of a post-referendum emergency budget a lie or an incorrect prediction?

Maybe not the immediate disaster that was predicted but certainly not an overwhelming vote of confidence.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/philip-hammond-brexit-vote-borrowing-autumn-statement

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

Maybe not the immediate disaster that was predicted but certainly not an overwhelming vote of confidence.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/philip-hammond-brexit-vote-borrowing-autumn-statement

You know the budget deficit pre-dated the 2016 referendum don't you?
You'll also no doubt be aware that the UK on day-to-day spending at least is currently running a surplus?

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

You know the budget deficit pre-dated the 2016 referendum don't you?
You'll also no doubt be aware that the UK on day-to-day spending at least is currently running a surplus?

And you of course will be aware that the budget was based on savings from abandoning the austerity policy AND calculating the extra spending needed to cope with Brexit...which hasn't happened yet.

Moby

StevieJ wrote: »

Unfortunately they are are still most of those things, note Anna Soubry on QT. These people are doing more harm to the Remain side than good. My vote will be for the LibDems.

I think what's happened is those who want brexit have found a home with Farage because he voices their 'betrayal' trope. The vote of the remainers is split between Labour, Greens, LibDems, Change, Scottish Nats and Plaid. All these parties have two problems, they have to show the difference between themselves and other remain parties and they have to have policies for issues other than brexit. Getting their point across is therefore much harder than it is for Farage. He just needs to bang the 'betrayal' drum. He's made a very successful career for himself out of this but gladly his career won't progress to a Govmt programme because he has no policies apart from a 'no deal' brexit. He's a demagogue, a mini me bedfellow of demagogues like Trump and Putin who glean support by giving us something to blame or hate.

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

And you of course will be aware that the budget was based on savings from abandoning the austerity policy AND calculating the extra spending needed to cope with Brexit...which hasn't happened yet.

You think the Government saves money when it abandons austerity measures?

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

You think the Government saves money when it abandons austerity measures?

Apologies. Savings from abandoning the aim to eliminate the deficit which was the aim of the austerity policy.

Takedap

Moby wrote: »

He's made a very successful career for himself out of this but gladly his career won't progress to a Govmt programme because he has no policies apart from a 'no deal' brexit.

Hopefully that's true but I wouldn't bank on it.


Brexit at any costs is a reality for some voters.


He really is a cult (and no, that's not a typo)

mayonnaise

StevieJ wrote: »

My vote will be for the LibDems.

Mine too.
Also bunged them a couple of hundred quid.
All in the good cause.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No one wants to debate the issues that are behind the referendum vote. Even now. The EU has nothing to offer. Remain wishes to maintain the staus quo. Hardly surprising that the country is dividing the middle. Meanwhile the political elite , the DUP, Corbyn , SNP , Sinn Fein etc. Continue to harbour ideology from another era. Out of touch with the now unrepresented majority.

We've been trying. I must have explained dozens of times why none of the issues behind the referendum have nothing to do with the EU. It has a huge amount to offer but a lot is taken for granted or hand waved away