Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

When you’re desperate to portray the EU as the solution to almost everything, I suppose you have to minimise the influence of national governments on their own economies.
It’s a sort of Remoaner myopia at work I suppose.

No-one has ever said the EU is perfect, though Leavers seem to think it must be or we need to leave.

The question to ask is "has the EU made things better than they would otherwise be?".
Would the Greek financial crisis have happened if they weren't in the EU? I'm pretty sure it would.

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

When you’re desperate to portray the EU as the solution to almost everything, I suppose you have to minimise the influence of national governments on their own economies.
It’s a sort of Remoaner myopia at work I suppose.

Remainer myopia??


Do the EU tell us how many teachers, doctors, nurses, soldiers or policemen we can employ?


Does the EU tell us how much we can pay them?


Does the EU set the educational curriculum?


Does the EU tell us how much we charge for higher education?


Did the EU make us sell off our utilities? Transport network? Major industries? Gold reserves?


Has the EU changed the benefit system leading to a massive increase in food bank use?


Has the EU driven up house prices to the point where young people cannot afford their own homes?


Did the EU tell us to let the Chinese build our next generation of nuclear power stations & communications networks?



Or maybe that's all down to UK domestic policies set by our own Government. You know, the one that you voted to "take back control"


It doesn't look to me like it's going too well. But that might be my myopia? Maybe you won't read this because you "don't do lists"?

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Would the Greek financial crisis have happened if they weren't in the EU? I'm pretty sure it would.

It happened not because Greece is in the EU but because it’s in the €zone. If Greece had retained its own currency, it would have done what it has always done - devalued.

lisyloo

cogito wrote: »

It happened not because Greece is in the EU but because it’s in the €zone. If Greece had retained its own currency, it would have done what it has always done - devalued.

Thanks, so not relevant to the UK situation then whether in or out as we’re not in the €zone

Takedap

cogito wrote: »

It happened not because Greece is in the EU but because it’s in the €zone. If Greece had retained its own currency, it would have done what it has always done - devalued.

And returned to being the economic miracle that Greece is so famous for.....

mayonnaise

Greece's economic troubles were caused by low productivity, poor tax administration, corruption, over-generous public sector benefits and pensions leading to an unsustainable deficit.

Only a myopic Europhobe would blame the EU for Greece's internal failings.

Tromking

The usual suspects on here need to make up their minds on how integral membership of the EU is to a country’s prosperity.
At the moment it’s a case of anything bad is the fault of national governments and anything good is down to EU membership.
Like I said, Remoaner myopia.

shaggydoo

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/09/nigel-farage-european-elections-remain-vote-brexit-party-gina-miller

Want to stop Nigel Farage storming the European elections? Then vote tactically

shaggydoo

gfplux wrote: »

If Britain decides not to leave the EU this time, the operative words are “this time”
Just like Quebec, Catalonia, French and Spanish Basque Countrys, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily and countries effected by Pandemics like Zika or Ebola, Britain is blighted. Why would anyone wanting a foothold in Europe invest in a Britain, why would EU citizens who are Doctors or scientists bring their family to live in a Britain who could suddenly reverse a decision and stay or leave or leave and stay. Flip, flop!
Even if Britain were to stay in the EU, Brexit Blight will effect Britain for a lifetime if not longer. Who will trust Britain, the voters and its politicians ever again?

So, we should leave - is that what you're saying?

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

The usual suspects on here need to make up their minds on how integral membership of the EU is to a country’s prosperity.
At the moment it’s a case of anything bad is the fault of national governments and anything good is down to EU membership.
Like I said, Remoaner myopia.

The world isn't as black & white as you want us to believe.


That's why trying to address a complex problem with a simple answer doesn't work.


Don't like it....Just walk away?