Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

If you gave people a binary choice between May's deal and WTO, there might well be a 61% majority for WTO but YouGov didn't bother to ask that question. I wonder why.

I'll tell you why.
Because WTO is not an option anymore.

movilogo

61% would back Remain now.

Will there be 3rd referendum if 5 years down the line poll shows 80% people want to quit EU?

Or once remain wins that will close the chapter forever?

lisyloo

movilogo wrote: »

Will there be 3rd referendum if 5 years down the line poll shows 80% people want to quit EU?

Or once remain wins that will close the chapter forever?

Can I have the latter please?

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Unfortunately for remainers, any future referendum wouldn’t be a choice between remaining and May's deal. If you gave people a binary choice between May's deal and WTO, there might well be a 61% majority for WTO but YouGov didn't bother to ask that question. I wonder why.

All that the poll proves is that people (myself included) would rather stay in the EU than accept May's deal because it's so awful. I think people know where I stand on the matter.

There's nothing ruling out a Remain option, indeed it's important to have it there - if it wins then it was right to be there, and if it looses it kills of the Remain argument. WTO is all but ruled out, so there'd need to be something else on there beyond Mays deal or Mays deal.


Remember it's all a government stitch up - we're remaining anyway.

Thrugelmir

Takedap wrote: »

I think it would be more accurate to say that the success of capitalism in the West goes hand in hand with our membership of the EU.

Why isn't the EU a success for everyone then.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why isn't the EU a success for everyone then.

When you’re desperate to portray the EU as the solution to almost everything, I suppose you have to minimise the influence of national governments on their own economies.
It’s a sort of Remoaner myopia at work I suppose.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

When you’re desperate to portray the EU as the solution to almost everything, I suppose you have to minimise the influence of national governments on their own economies.

National Governments are still responsible for their own budgets. While staying within the fiscal rules set out by Brussels.

Takedap

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why isn't the EU a success for everyone then.

Same reason that capitalism isn't a success for everyone.

gfplux

movilogo wrote: »

Will there be 3rd referendum if 5 years down the line poll shows 80% people want to quit EU?

Or once remain wins that will close the chapter forever?

If Britain decides not to leave the EU this time, the operative words are “this time”
Just like Quebec, Catalonia, French and Spanish Basque Countrys, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily and countries effected by Pandemics like Zika or Ebola, Britain is blighted. Why would anyone wanting a foothold in Europe invest in a Britain, why would EU citizens who are Doctors or scientists bring their family to live in a Britain who could suddenly reverse a decision and stay or leave or leave and stay. Flip, flop!
Even if Britain were to stay in the EU, Brexit Blight will effect Britain for a lifetime if not longer. Who will trust Britain, the voters and its politicians ever again?

gfplux

mayonnaise wrote: »

LD or Greens for me.
The Greens climate change standpoint is a bit too radical for me, so probably LD.

The Remainers and Brexiters need to forget their tribes and vote in the European elections for a candidate that reflects their view.
So Remainers should NOT vote Tory or Labour but vote for a outright Remain party.
Brexiters can’t vote Tory or Labour as they are a little wish washy on the subject so better not and vote for a hard line Brexit candidate.

To my mind that means NO ONE should vote for Tory or Labour candidates.

Now that would really change the political landscape.