Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

Indeed so.

We are on the cusp of a global shift in manufacturing.
From seeing how long it takes the EU to do anything I think that the UK is much better-placed outside that cumbersome behemoth, where we are able to make our own decisions and could change quickly if necessary.

Do tell us how post Brexit Britain will make the decisions and then get the global manufacturers to fall into line.

You think Brexit will place Britain in a better position to face these challenges. I don’t.

gfplux

BobQ wrote: »

I agree we are on the cusp for the motor industry. The problem is that the investment decisions of UK based car manufacturers are taking production elsewhere due to the uncertainties of Brexit. If it was just about falling diesel sales they would be moving to UK production of electric cars. But they are just closing UK plants.

Most of our economy is based on services and many of these have been relocating to Amsterdam or Dublin etc. Rents in Dublin are rising sharply and there are major skills shortages. Much of this is due to businesses relocating from the UK.

I do not have a problem if most people in the UK want a declining economy but I doubt this is what most them expected.

I agree with everything you say above, but.
Bob, don’t forget Luxembourg. Office space is at all time occupancy rates and most new office building coming on stream is almost 100% let. The skyline is once again full of cranes.

gfplux

Arklight wrote: »

Yep. I'm going to make sure we have at least ten days worth of staples, dried foodstuffs, rice, pasta, tinned tomatoes. flour to make bread. Things that don't take up much space but can keep you going and that you'll use eventually anyway.

We're a couple of headlines away from panic buying at most. Ironically it's the people who put us in this position who will be the ones scooping entire armloads of Pot Noodles and Angel Delight into their shopping trolleys and then fighting eachother for them at the tills.

I am with you Arklight.
If I lived in Britain then stockpiling NOW BEFORE it becomes mainstream is just very sensible. All the things you need and use regularly as if Britain came to its senses and called off Brexit or agreed a deal you will use anyway.

Get ahead of the crowd. Stockpile now.

mayonnaise

Haven't been stockpiling out of fear of shortages, but I did do a couple of Channel crossings to stock up on French wine and Champagnes, Belgian beers, the finest Italian olive oils and Lombard sparkling wine.

All stocked up before the Pound crashes further and not a single penny for the exchequer of this fascist regime. It's a win-win. :beer:

Enterprise_1701C

mayonnaise wrote: »

Haven't been stockpiling out of fear of shortages, but I did do a couple of Channel crossings to stock up on French wine and Champagnes, Belgian beers, the finest Italian olive oils and Lombard sparkling wine.

All stocked up before the Pound crashes further and not a single penny for the exchequer of this fascist regime. It's a win-win. :beer:

Corbyn is not PM and, from what I last saw, fascist regimes do not follow the will of the people.

buglawton

wunferall wrote: »

Indeed so.
Just a few weeks ago VW announced another 7,000 jobs are going at 2 German factories as a result of turning to production of electric cars and Ford announced thousands of jobs are to go across Europe for the same reasons.

The inevitable rise of electric vehicles will without a doubt affect current global vehicle production - hence James Dyson deciding to build his electric vehicles in Singapore.

Until we see exactly what happens not only with the UK but the European and global manufacturing of electric vehicles, trying to blame Brexit is at best disingenuous.
Especially when the linked report clearly says "It is not expected to have a major impact on jobs because the plans related to future investment activity." and "One automotive analyst said that falling consumer demand for diesel vehicles and Nissan's weak recent sales performance in Europe were likely to be factors in the decision."

We are on the cusp of a global shift in manufacturing.
From seeing how long it takes the EU to do anything I think that the UK is much better-placed outside that cumbersome behemoth, where we are able to make our own decisions and could change quickly if necessary.

Agree. When investment does come to the UK it needs to be something sustainable. Electric cars are mentioned a lot in this context. That investment will go towards marketplaces with real EV promotion at the civil planning, infrastructure and consumer levels. Which doesn't happen to be the UK yet.

ben501

gfplux wrote: »

Get ahead of the crowd. Stockpile now.

A bit late for that, I've been 'stockpiling' for months. Just want to figure out the best substitute for fresh fruit & veg, then I can avoid the shops completely for a month or two in March & April.

Herzlos

Here's an interesting read from the Welsh perspective, and why an area that benefited from huge EU funding, still voted to leave:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-most-pro-brexit-town-15767233?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=group_walesmain
It boils down to feeling the EU funding was cumbersome to deal with and purely cosmetic, with no follow up maintenance, a feeling that things can't get any worse so why not mix it up, and lack of understanding of what the EU funded.
Now the EU funding has stopped, the government funding seems to be more accountable, but I can't help but feel they'll also be disproportionately badly hit by brexit.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Corbyn is not PM and, from what I last saw, fascist regimes do not follow the will of the people.

The will of the people is usually a big tool in the rise of fascism.

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

The will of the people is usually a big tool in the rise of fascism.

When politicians ignore the will of the people, it creates conditions for the rise of so called populism which then creates conditions for extremists to tap into that. Politicians in the EU would do well to bear that in mind. The UK too, come to that.