Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Arklight

buglawton wrote: »

Tsk. And there's me thinking that a sign of a poor education was making bold assertions without offering any evidence to back them up.

There you go. You'll forgive me if they aren't in Harvard format.



https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/04/27/study-finds-those-graduate-education-are-far-more-liberal-peers

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/15/educational-divide-in-vote-preferences-on-track-to-be-wider-than-in-recent-elections/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/

phillw

Malthusian wrote: »

Attempting to correlate intelligence with politics is an inherently futile endeavour.

Intelligence is rather subjective, the studies I have seen have always used education level.

cogito wrote: »

And you do have a clue? I would say not.

I do, I understand you think I don't. I don't rely on lies to win, so I have the high ground.

buglawton wrote: »

I was referring to post #2571 "plenty of evidence now that demonstrates that the more poorly educated adults are, the more likely they are to vote for the Right"... which goes on to provide no evidence whatsoever for that assertion.

I know what you were trying to do, but you can't have it both ways right?

You also offered no evidence that poorly educated made assertions without evidence, which means you consider yourself poorly educated.

Herzlos wrote: »

Cooper bill passed by the Lords, so "no deal" is no longer a legal option. At least some sanity remains.

That isn't exactly what the bill says.

lisyloo wrote: »

Although given no-one in a position of power wants no deal, then I don’t see it happening.

But their may come a time when they'd rather slit the throats of the greater population, 52% of which wanted to be poorer and have less rights, than save the country by slitting their own. It's interesting times when the poor vote for their own downfall.

Herzlos

I stand corrected. My source was a pro-brexit one who was upset about betrayal.

Malthusian

phillw wrote: »

Intelligence is rather subjective, the studies I have seen have always used education level.

Solely because of the implication that being more edumacated makes you more intelligent, and it's cheaper to ask whether someone went to uni than giving them an IQ test.

Intelligence is the ability to analyse information and derive the correct solution to a problem, and is therefore inherently objective.

lisyloo

Malthusian wrote: »

Solely because of the implication that being more edumacated makes you more intelligent, and it's cheaper to ask whether someone went to uni than giving them an IQ test.

Intelligence is the ability to analyse information and derive the correct solution to a problem, and is therefore inherently objective.

When only a small % of the population went to uni it was useful to some degree.
Now that 50% of the population go to uni it’s less useful.

Arklight

Studies also show that right wing people see the world in black and white ways with very strong and fixed ideals of good and bad. They are also far more anxious than liberals and score highly for markers of imagined threat. There is a strong cognitive bias towards seeing threat in conservative voters.

They fear new experiences and focus on the negative. This is evident in the US with the level of gun ownership among the right wing, preparing for a war only they can imagine, but can also be seen in some of the Brexit movement trying to clamber back inside a castle of nationhood.

Conversely liberals are far less likely to perceive something new as being threatening and are less fearful of the world in general.

It does seem like the Right are a real anchor stopping the world from progressing.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes

Arklight

lisyloo wrote: »

When only a small % of the population went to uni it was useful to some degree.
Now that 50% of the population go to uni it’s less useful.

When only a small percentage of the (almost invariably middle class) population went to uni it meant they had an enormous competitive advantage over everyone else.

Less education is not a solution to any problem other than "There isn't enough ignorance in the world." Which isn't a problem the world has, evidently.

lisyloo

Arklight wrote: »

When only a small percentage of the (almost invariably middle class) population went to uni it meant they had an enormous competitive advantage over everyone else.

Less education is not a solution to any problem other than "There isn't enough ignorance in the world." Which isn't a problem the world has, evidently.

Oh I agree totally.
There was also a gender bias - my mother born 1945 never had the opportunity on the table whereas her brothers did. She is not less intelligent, it was just never an option.

I wasn’t promoting less education at all, just saying it’s no longer a useful measurement.

LHW99

Solely because of the implication that being more edumacated makes you more intelligent, and it's cheaper to ask whether someone went to uni than giving them an IQ test.

Intelligence is the ability to analyse information and derive the correct solution to a problem, and is therefore inherently objective.

And unfortunately IQ tests only measure probability of success in a formal education setting (on the whole) as that is what they were originally designed to do.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

There you go. You'll forgive me if they aren't in Harvard format.



https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/04/27/study-finds-those-graduate-education-are-far-more-liberal-peers

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/15/educational-divide-in-vote-preferences-on-track-to-be-wider-than-in-recent-elections/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/

One would expect more highly educated people to be capable of independent thought instead of just accepting what the so-called progressive liberals tell them to think.