Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

Crashy_Time wrote: »

In that case why is there such anger and opposition to the happy rainbow umbrella that is supposedly the EU?

Because the fabrication is well believed by the people at the bottom. It's been a common theme of population control for ever. It's summed up pretty well in 1984 (not an instruction manual).


There's always 3 classes: Top, Middle and Bottom. Top ensures the Bottom are just-about-coping which keeps them busy, productive and distracted, but care needs to be taken to ensure that our bottom doesn't meet "the enemies" bottom, in case they realise that they are essentially the same people and that the problem is the top and not the foreigners.


Unfortunately, the Bottom usually laps up what they've been told (especially after years of under funded education - poorly educated proles are easier to manipulate). Why do you think the Tories are against funding education?

Arklight

There is plenty of evidence now that demonstrates that the more poorly educated adults are, the more likely they are to vote for the Right.

Do you think the Tories actually want good state education? No, they don't. They want people who are educated enough to be able to work in some capacity, but not enough to question their role in society so much that they stop voting for the Tories or blaming their problems on foreigners.

Ironically this is about the only long term planning Tory governments are interested in.

Crashy_Time

Herzlos wrote: »

Because the fabrication is well believed by the people at the bottom. It's been a common theme of population control for ever. It's summed up pretty well in 1984 (not an instruction manual).


There's always 3 classes: Top, Middle and Bottom. Top ensures the Bottom are just-about-coping which keeps them busy, productive and distracted, but care needs to be taken to ensure that our bottom doesn't meet "the enemies" bottom, in case they realise that they are essentially the same people and that the problem is the top and not the foreigners.


Unfortunately, the Bottom usually laps up what they've been told (especially after years of under funded education - poorly educated proles are easier to manipulate). Why do you think the Tories are against funding education?

Do you think the two bottoms have managed to meet yet in the internet age, or is it maybe that you are on the wrong track about why people voted to leave?

Crashy_Time

Arklight wrote: »

There is plenty of evidence now that demonstrates that the more poorly educated adults are, the more likely they are to vote for the Right.

Do you think the Tories actually want good state education? No, they don't. They want people who are educated enough to be able to work in some capacity, but not enough to question their role in society so much that they stop voting for the Tories or blaming their problems on foreigners.

Ironically this is about the only long term planning Tory governments are interested in.

I think that one is about to be tested to the limit pretty soon. Smart people can see where the EU Superstate/banking/Big Corp is trying to go (worse than 1984/Soylent Green etc.) and are voting to stop it, it is that simple really.

Thrugelmir

buglawton wrote: »

Thing is, other things have changed too. Distance has also relatively disappeared to all other points of the globe and to new potential trade partners in areas growing faster than the EU.

London Gateway, when eventually finished, will have the capacity to unload 6 ships simultaneously. Fully automated too. Importation has never been easier. Be no French customs officials causing angst either.

phillw

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Smart people can see where the EU Superstate/banking/Big Corp is trying to go (worse than 1984/Soylent Green etc.) and are voting to stop it, it is that simple really.

It's corrupt business that are trying to stop it.

Crashy_Time wrote: »

or is it maybe that you are on the wrong track about why people voted to leave?

People always say I'm wrong about why they voted to leave and in trying to persuade me, they prove me right.

Herzlos

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Do you think the two bottoms have managed to meet yet in the internet age, or is it maybe that you are on the wrong track about why people voted to leave?

A huge percentage of those at the bottom don't have the internet, so there's that. Beyond that, it's still fairly regional; how many foreign nationals do you stumble across on the internet? I only really interact with a few ex-pats and foreign colleagues.

Are you trying to say people didn't vote based on the impressions of the right wing press (owned almost exclusively by the elite), or the main leave campaigners (also almost exclusively elite)?
Most people (myself included) are susceptible to manipulation without being aware. Bizarrely it also turns out those who are most adamant to be above manipulation are the most likely to be duped.

Even if you don't believe me, how would you control a large population you didn't want to realise you were a parasite?

Herzlos

Crashy_Time wrote: »

I think that one is about to be tested to the limit pretty soon. Smart people can see where the EU Superstate/banking/Big Corp is trying to go (worse than 1984/Soylent Green etc.) and are voting to stop it, it is that simple really.

Voting to stop it by removing the reluctant member and standing back to let them get on with it?

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

London Gateway, when eventually finished, will have the capacity to unload 6 ships simultaneously. Fully automated too. Importation has never been easier. Be no French customs officials causing angst either.

The long term problems foreseen with trade aren't related to physically unloading goods. It's being able to afford them if they come with tariffs, or even get them if they are subject to quotas.

Hovering Thunderbird 1 over London really isn't going to fix this. As much we may wish it were otherwise.

phillw

Arklight wrote: »

It's being able to afford them if they come with tariffs, or even get them if they are subject to quotas.

Do you think they understand the concept of tariffs and quotas and what effect they have?

The "they'll still want to buy ...." argument is when you know you are talking to someone who lacks a clue.