Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

adindas

smipsy wrote: »

ah yes, as compared to the Trident which was a one-off cost, and costs nothing annually. except a few billions, but trifles!

also, they are doing a trade deal, like any other country does with any other country. they're not joining the EU.

UK will be paying EUR39 bil euro which is not legally required. If UK wanted to pay this sum it is just a gesture of a goodwill in exchange of a good trade deal.UK is on of the largest contributors to EU intelligence, security and defence in the EU.

When leaving the EU Uk will be Paying EUR 39 and the UK trade deal is also only for good it does not include service either so it is quite similar to the deal with Japan and Canada. Why pay EUR 39 bil ?. Moreover is the second net contributors to the EU budget and therefore have a claim on the EU assets. Japan, Canada do not pay a single penny, don't bow to ECJ, do not involve in FoM

Moreover EU is still using Ireland as a pawn.

Which organisation is punishing you for leaving. It is only a few exist in this world, ISIS, mafioso type organisations.

MobileSaver

adindas wrote: »

UK will be paying EUR39 bil euro which is not legally required. If UK wanted to pay this sum it is just a gesture of a goodwill in exchange of a good trade deal.

Nonsense. Most of it is honouring commitments and agreements we made over previous years such as employee's pensions and infrastructure contracts agreed years ago.

Or should everyone be allowed to emulate Philip Green and just try to walk away from future pension liabilities?

SouthLondonUser

@adindas, then enlighten us. Since your eloquence and command of the language suggest you are a well-published international law scholar, I shall be anxiously looking forward to your clarifications.

SouthLondonUser

Since the irony got lost in translation, I shall rephrase : in my humble opinion, your poor use of the language, and the nonsense you have written so far, makes it extremely unlikely that you truly understand the complex issues of international law and international trade you talk so much about. I may, of course, be wrong - but please prove it with logical arguments, not with cheap political slogans.

Arklight

BMW and Toyota.

Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.

BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario.

Separately, the head of Toyota's European operations said a negative outcome could put future investment at its UK factory near Derby at risk.

Johan van Zyl told the BBC that if the Brexit "hurdles" are too high it would undermine Toyota's competitiveness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47457219

Arklight

Arron Banks under investigation by the National Crime Agency for allegedly being bought off by the Russians to promote Brexit.

A political disaster that is terrible for the UK and favourable to its enemies.

Millionaire Brexit backer Arron Banks eagerly pursued a multibillion-pound gold deal brought to him by a Russian oligarch with links to the Kremlin just months before the EU referendum, Channel 4 News can reveal.

Brexit. The gullible being hoodwinked by the deplorable.

https://www.channel4.com/news/the-banks-files-how-brexit-bad-boy-arron-banks-was-eyeing-a-massive-russian-gold-deal

SouthLondonUser

Adindas, not that it's relevant, but I happen to speak, read and work in more than one language.

I wrote pages and pages here debunking fake news on the supposedly undemocratic nature of the EU.

You are "referring to International lawyer" - what does this mean? Surely you realise that it doesn't mean much?
Can't Putin afford trolls who speak a better English?

Are you saying that your opinion is backed by some lawyers (one? A? Many?) expert in international law? Care to elaborate?

SouthLondonUser

Putin's mobile is busy but he texted me that I can call him tomorrow!

Still waiting to hear what "I'm referring to International lawyer" means and how someone who writes like this can possibly expect to have the slightest comprehension of complex topics of international law...

Herzlos

Legally, I don't think we have any obligation to pay the £39bn. Politically, I think it'd be stupid not to. It's really not that much money, and the damage to our reputation as a trustworthy partner is worth far more. If we don't pay it, the EU may spend years dragging us through international courts, or they may even just refuse to negotiate any trade deal until the balance has cleared, leaving us on the WTO forever. Remember, A50 only requires the EU to negotiate a deal to leave, once that's concluded there's nothing stopping them ignoring us completely.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It is about getting the hell out before they decide they are going to run everything. Do not like the idea of the 'ever closer union', there is only one place for it to end, and that is the inevitable us of e. They do not like national identities, they want everyone to be 'european'. That is not a good fit for the UK.

I don't understand this mentality, where we need to abandon ship without a plan because we don't like a potential future course. Why not wait until we either have a suitable replacement, or the things we don't like happen? We're a long way from a United States of Europe, and will have plenty of opportunity to veto it or walk away.

In fact, a USoE will be more likely once we've left, and we'll still need to follow most of their rules, so it's counter productive.


It's a bit like leaving a golf club because some jobsworth has suggested that they might run for club president. Or amputating your leg because you've stubbed your toe.



What's wrong with a United States of Europe, anyway?

Thrugelmir

MobileSaver wrote: »

Nonsense. Most of it is honouring commitments and agreements we made over previous years such as employee's pensions and infrastructure contracts agreed years ago.

There's no agreements in place. The EU wanted the divorce settlement agreed first. Before they would consider any other factors.