Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

smipsy

adindas wrote: »

OMG 5 to 10 quid more on a yearly tax.
Mind to explain where did you get this figure from ?? Something to do with basic math ??

Let alone you are mentioning about tax payers. While there are about 60 mil people in the UK, there are only about half of it are paying tax.

end of year tax statements showing where your money goes?

https://i.imgur.com/r81I0Hm.jpg

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

OMG 5 to 10 quid more on a yearly tax.
Mind to explain where did you get this figure from ?? Something to do with basic math ??

Let alone you are mentioning about tax payers. While there are about 60 mil people in the UK, there are only about half of it are paying tax.

The last statement I have from the UK Gov told me that I paid £22 as a yearly contribution to the EU. (compared to £192 interest repayment on the National Debt for instance)

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

Read this
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7886
Some people seems to pay tax but they get more back in benefit.

Yes but that's the UK Govs policy, not the EU's


Do you think that will change after we've left?

smipsy

imagine if people were this focused on costs when it comes to things like Trident, or the political shenanigans. Trident is like three times, if not four times, a bigger cost, but somehow that's irrelevant. benefits from EU contributions surely outweigh any Trident benefits, but I have no doubt someone's going to come and say how Trident is incredibly great for quality of life, while EU is just really choking everyone in their sleep

andrewf75

smipsy wrote: »

imagine if people were this focused on costs when it comes to things like Trident, or the political shenanigans. Trident is like three times, if not four times, a bigger cost, but somehow that's irrelevant. benefits from EU contributions surely outweigh any Trident benefits, but I have no doubt someone's going to come and say how Trident is incredibly great for quality of life, while EU is just really choking everyone in their sleep

It is utterly bonkers how the cost of EU membership was so successfully used in the campaign.

There are good arguments for leaving the EU, but cost definitely isn't one of them! The trouble is the payments in are easy to quantify and the benefits very difficult to quantify, so it was easy for leave to mislead people. Plus the fact that the tabloids began the leave campaign decades ago and the idea that the EU somehow *costs* Britain was already ingrained.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

There’s nothing particularly tribal about not wanting your country to be potentially subsumed by a soon-to-be supranational entity.

It's everything to do with tribalism. Your fear has you imagining something that won't happen as being possible or even likely to happen. Your inability to see that is why you think the way you do.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The only reason eu officials do not want us to leave is the money,

Isn't that why people do things? Farage, Reese Mogg & Boris Johnson said what they did to personally enrich themselves at the uk populations expense, so why wouldn't the EU want us to stay in for the economic benefits? If you mean the "£350 million a week" then that is just a tax that goes towards running things, which we'll have to duplicate once we leave and will cost more for us to go alone.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

especially as rebates are going to disappear

That makes no sense, they'll be glad to see the end of the rebates.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

and possibly guaranteed fishing rights.

UK fishermen need access to their waters, we'll be guaranteeing that whatever happens.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

If they had really wanted us to stay then they would have sent Cameron back with more than a slap in the face.

That is such a biased & entitled viewpoint.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

They do not like national identities, they want everyone to be 'european'. That is not a good fit for the UK.

1. It would only be bad for xenophobic tribalists.

2. It won't happen, only xenophobic tribalists will invent that threat in their minds.

3. You're possibly right about it not being a good fit for the UK, we seem to have a lot of xenophobic tribalists who will disadvantage themselves because of a threat they invented.

andrewf75

adindas wrote: »

Comparing Apple and orange ??
Could you not see that UK contribution the EU budget is on annual basis. Multiply that with how many year UK have been the net contributors. Also add it for many years to come.

Japan, Canada are doing a trade deal with EU without paying single penny.

But do you not understand that net contributer only means we pay in more than we get back *in direct payments*
It is not the entire picture!

This is absolute basics! Japan and Canada do not get all the benefits of an EU member - and they wouldn't need them not being European countries.

smipsy

adindas wrote: »

Comparing Apple and orange ??
Could you not see that UK contribution the EU budget is on annual basis. Multiply that with how many year UK have been the net contributors. Also add it for many years to come.

Japan, Canada are doing a trade deal with EU without paying single penny.

ah yes, as compared to the Trident which was a one-off cost, and costs nothing annually. except a few billions, but trifles!

also, they are doing a trade deal, like any other country does with any other country. they're not joining the EU.

smipsy

andrewf75 wrote: »

It is utterly bonkers how the cost of EU membership was so successfully used in the campaign.

There are good arguments for leaving the EU, but cost definitely isn't one of them! The trouble is the payments in are easy to quantify and the benefits very difficult to quantify, so it was easy for leave to mislead people. Plus the fact that the tabloids began the leave campaign decades ago and the idea that the EU somehow *costs* Britain was already ingrained.

not bonkers at all. historically, people were always more likely to believe the "it's the fault of others, not us!" rhetoric. not unique to UK at all.

blame everything on EU, problem solved. because EU is in every aspect a lesser being filled with lesser people, so of course they will mess things up

phillw

smipsy wrote: »

not bonkers at all. historically, people were always more likely to believe the "it's the fault of others, not us!" rhetoric. not unique to UK at all.

That lie has also been working really well for the last two years, so people actually believe the reason Theresa May can't get a deal through parliament is the fault of the EU.

At least the money isn't a moral issue, just a sign of misunderstanding maths, economies and international trade. Every other reason is a sign of poor morals.