Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Brown_Bear

wunferall wrote: »

There are a huge number who disagree with that opinion, to the extent that there's even a website devoted to the BBC's bias.
There has been so much said about the BBC's very obvious anti-Brexit bias that it's difficult to know where to begin (and in fairness it would be better discussed in a separate thread) so I will just link the site I mention.

Yes, I've heard a lot about BBC anti-Brexit bias.
But if there is such bias, I think it's quite minor.
The PC / social liberal propaganda is much stronger than anything else.
In fact, that propaganda has been so successful that it's rarely mentioned!

But if you can ignore that, the BBC website can actually be quite good. Especially because it's much faster than most other websites. Although it has slowed down with some of the latest gimmicks / graphics on there.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Hows that going to come about, when we've handed the elite more power and given away lots of rights for the normal person?

The people have given the political elite a complete crisis of confidence if you ask me.

People like Cameron were confident they could both predict and control the outcome of a major referendum. It worked for Scotland, ergo why wouldn't it work for the UK.

But...that didn't happen, and what do they have now? They are racked with indecision, fearful of EU might and fearful of the ire of the people.

I think fringe groups will get a big boost courtesy of the Brexit fallout.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

I think hard brexiteers realise they are not going to get what they want.....i.e we leave without a deal....so they are going to hold their noses and are reluctantly going to vote for May's deal.
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They will demand the resignation of May, and replacement with someone who shares their Brexit sentiment though.

Both major parties could easily rip themselves apart.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

They will demand the resignation of May,

She's already said that she will stand down.

Herzlos

The same elites will be in power once this is all over. Blame will be shifted to the EU, the people will lap it up and get back on with their life.

Brexit was about the elite seeking more power and less scrutiny.

Kohoutek

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Forget the EU. The UK leaving is going to impact individual communities across Europe very hard. National Governments will have issues to deal with. Eire for example is not a large economy, highly dependent on the UK for both imports and export. German car manufacturers in Bavaria likewise. Italian food imports.

Easy to be dismissive at a broad generic level i.e. GDP. Very different when one talks about people and their livelihoods.

None of those examples change the fact that overall hard Brexit would hit the UK hardest.

wunferall

Kohoutek wrote: »

None of those examples change the fact that overall hard Brexit could hit the UK hardest.

Fixed that for you.

Strangely enough the people most insistent that the UK would suffer most in the event of a no-deal Brexit are the very same people who were warning us of calamity for even daring to vote to leave.
You remember surely?
Millions of jobs lost immediately; emergency budgets; the economy would shrink and we would go into recession immediately blah blah blah.
Indeed there was such a slew of obvious hogwash that it earned these efforts a newly-coined term: "Project Fear".
How's that gone so far?


Plenty of eminent, highly-regarded people think that the UK will prosper once outside the EU.
Even now there's a piece in The Spectator saying just that.

As a former prime minister of a country that has a perfectly satisfactory ‘no deal’ relationship with the EU, let me assure you: no deal would be no problem. Or at least no problem that Britain couldn’t quickly take in its stride.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/no-deal-no-problem/


So rather than subscribe to the common EU-derived mental castration which is leading to such shortsighted blinkered beliefs, be assured that even if forced into a no deal Brexit, Britain has at least the opportunity to flourish.
And that of course is what has most frightened the EU from the day a referendum in Britain was announced; that Britain would prosper outside the EU.

fatbeetle

Arklight wrote: »

I've rarely seen a country so uniquely unprepared for such an enormous, and self inflicted, threat.

How many countries have you seen leaving this sort of agreement? Care to share with us what you base your comparison on?

Oh, sorry, that's right, you don't EVER substantiate your claims, you just make stuff up....

Kohoutek

wunferall wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

Strangely enough the people most insistent that the UK would suffer most in the event of a no-deal Brexit are the very same people who were warning us of calamity for even daring to vote to leave.
You remember surely?
Millions of jobs lost immediately; emergency budgets; the economy would shrink and we would go into recession immediately blah blah blah.
Indeed there was such a slew of obvious hogwash that it earned these efforts a newly-coined term: "Project Fear".
How's that gone so far?

I never believed George Osborne's silly threats during the referendum campaign. But Brexit has been bad pretty in the sector I work in so far - no positives, only negatives. Most of the people who support Brexit on this forum seem to be retired (presumably with final salary pensions), so I guess they wouldn't know (or care, unfortunately).

wunferall wrote: »

So rather than subscribe to the common EU-derived mental castration which is leading to such shortsighted blinkered beliefs, be assured that even if forced into a no deal Brexit, Britain has at least the opportunity to flourish.

So believe in blind faith / dumb luck / it'll all be all right, in other words? That's not a way to lead a country.

wunferall

Kohoutek wrote: »

I never believed George Osborne's silly threats during the referendum campaign. But Brexit has been bad pretty in the sector I work in so far - no positives, only negatives. Most of the people who support Brexit on this forum seem to be retired (presumably with final salary pensions), so I guess they wouldn't know (or care, unfortunately).
I'm not retired and neither are any of the people I know who also want to leave the EU. Brexit has so far been extremely positive for the sector I'm employed in but I suppose it's natural that there would be a huge variance in anecdotal evidence.
FWIW it seems to be mostly the pro-EU contingent that are available to post here day in, day out; perhaps they just don't fit the alleged demographic.



So believe in blind faith / dumb luck / it'll all be all right, in other words? That's not a way to lead a country.

Yet strangely you're prepared to "believe in blind faith / dumb luck / it'll all be" some kind of disaster and think that that is the way to persuade people that Brexit is wrong?
Well it didn't work in the referendum itself.
It's certainly not working now either.