Bank Locked Us In without consent False Imprisonment

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EachPenny wrote: »

As some people might be unfamiliar with the term ad hominem I thought it might be helpfull to provide an example of where such a technique had been used:-

:whistle:

A particularly bad example, if you don't mind me saying so. I did not attack any individual user in that post. I simply made a general remark about the type of person commonly attracted to this forum. That is not ad hominem. Ad hominem can be summed up as (see Wikipedia) "comment on the post, not the poster".

EachPenny

johnsmith1890 wrote: »

A particularly bad example, if you don't mind me saying so. I did not attack any individual user in that post. I simply made a general remark about the type of person commonly attracted to this forum. That is not ad hominem. Ad hominem can be summed up as (see Wikipedia) "comment on the post, not the poster".

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

bluffer

johnsmith1890 wrote: »

A particularly bad example, if you don't mind me saying so. I did not attack any individual user in that post. I simply made a general remark about the type of person commonly attracted to this forum. That is not ad hominem. Ad hominem can be summed up as (see Wikipedia) "comment on the post, not the poster".

but you do attack bank employees by calling them dumbos.


so from your responses, you seem to be quite happy to have the atms not refilled and checked during the day? what will you say when you cant get cash out at an atm or your card is swallowed? Sorry Mr Smith, following the OPs lawsuit, us dumbos cant open the machine for 5 minutes just incase we upset someone.


time for this thread to be closed i think, the kiddies have had their playtime.

[Deleted User]

Both you two posters above are wrong. I didn't target an individual user, or the contributors to this particular topic as a group or part group, so no ad hominem. I just made a general remark about the type of person attracted to this forum, and also a generic remark about bank staff. You don't like it? Fine, but it's not ad hominem.

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EachPenny wrote: »

Let's have a think here. Bank locks doors to safely move large amount of cash around. Member of armed gang who positioned themself inside the bank just before the doors were locked activates the fire alarm to unlock the doors and allow armed gang to enter the bank. Yup, I'm sure the bank's security advisors wouldn't have thought of that one at all. :doh:

You might be unaware, but many commercial premises have automatic links to the fire services so activating the fire alarm will initiate a call out. Many fire services charge a 'false alarm' fee, sometimes running to hundreds of pounds. In addition, a false call out could result in someone else having to wait longer in a genuine emergency. That could be you waiting for someone to cut you out of your wrecked car, or for someone to rescue your children as your house burns down. But I'm sure you would consider that entirely justified if it means someone doesn't have to wait a few minutes inside a bank. Setting off a fire alarm when there isn't an emergency would be gross stupidity.

Furthermore, the bank are quite likely to pass on the costs of the 'false alarm' charge to you. You are also likely to get a letter from them informing you that they consider your relationship with them to have broken down and inviting you to transfer your business elsewhere before they complete the process of closing your accounts down.

Hopefully whatever it was that was so urgent you couldn't wait a few minutes would be worth the potential costs and hassle resulting from such an ill-advised reaction.

An extremely unlikely set of circumstances. However, another poster is right, this has run its course. Just to say, if it ever happened to me, i.e. "ladies and gentlemen, we're locking the doors and you can't leave - sorry we didn't warn you about this". My response under the following circumstances would be:


2 minutes lock-in - nothing, not a problem.


5 minutes lock in - grin and bear it.


15 minutes lock in. "I require you to let me out of the building straight away". If they refused I'd warn them that that I would leave of my own accord via whatever route was available, and if none, as a last resort I would sound the fire alarm, having told the staff that they were being uncooperative and that any auto callout fee would be for them to settle. As for the bank terminating their relationship with me; they'd have a job. I would be terminating the relationship with them, immediately.


You see, banks have not yet completely come to understand that you do them a favour by putting business their way. They are not doing you a favour by providing the service. It's basic stuff really, but they don't seem to get it.

JuicyJesus

When this sort of thing happens it isn't for 15 minutes at a time. It's closer to two, maximum, for the simple reason that the time spent with cash in a public area (and the branch closed) has to be kept to an absolute minimum.

Yet another reason quite a few people here need to get over themselves.

mgdavid

...is that for every one thousand reasonable and sensible people there is one ar5eh0le. It just happens that the latter make a lot of noise. Fortunately mostly they are harmless and perform a useful role in keeping the other thousand faintly amused.

Dorian1958

Health and safety at work act 1974 Section 8: "No person shall intentionally or recklessly interfere with or misuse anything provided in the interests of health, safety or welfare..." So, set off the fire alarm to get out and expose yourself to the possibility of a criminal conviction.

enthusiasticsaver

I worked in 3 different financial organisations between late 70s and early noughties. In most cases the machines were filled early morning before doors opened. If they had to be replenished during working hours the doors were shut for obvious reasons. Rarely for more than 5 minutes though. We were also shut in when we had a gunman point a gun at my colleague and she activated the alarm buttons (after he had left as was policy). So anyone in the branch at the time of the hold up was locked in until police and inspectors arrived and questions asked.

enthusiasticsaver

gomer wrote: »

It's actually quite exciting witnessing a bank robbery. When they hit the panic button the shutters activate instantly and the doors lock automatically, with everyone still inside and nobody gets out until the police negotiators arrive.

The one I witnessed, a police officer offered himself as a hostage and was dragged in the door and pinned to the wall inside by one of the armed robbers.

Even then, nobody was allowed to leave.


I expect the op would have been remonstrating with the robbers about false imprisonment lol

I worked in a bank branch where there was an armed robbery and exciting was not quite how I would describe it. Also our policy was that the member of staff being held up at gunpoint should not activate alarms until robber had left simply because of the danger of them taking a member of public a hostage if shutters went up protecting staff but not customers and the concern if they saw the staff member reaching for the alarm and possible panic causing them to set their fire arm off. It may have changed now though as I have not worked in banks for almost 20 years now.