Jaguar Land Rover to cut up to 5,000 jobs

RichardD1970

motorguy wrote: »

Wholly loving how the remainers have made this in to a Brexit whinging thread even though these JLR job losses have nothing to do with Brexit....

"5,000 jobs lost"

"oh must be because of Brexit - see told you it was a bad idea"

:rolleyes:

Not all, no.

I voted remain, and am at the sharp end of this.

The biggest effect of Brexit so far, personally, is that the company isn't releasing our full holiday dates until they know what's going on post 29th March in case they need to hold production and do as BMW are, shutting down for April.

Brexit may have had a slight effect on the car market in the UK due to people not wanting to take on £400+ PCP deals until they know where they stand.

Car_54

motorguy wrote: »

As i said i can see why your friends go quiet when you start talking about Brexit - talk about trying to move the goal posts!

You asked for Brexit opportunities. I gave you examples, and a real world happening right now one. This company is able to expand because of Brexit. They're embracing the change and opportunity. No Brexit = No expansion.

Its not all doom and gloom - only if it suits you to be of course.

I plan on making the most of it. I'm an IT contractor, so starting to see / expecting to see loads of new projects spun up across the UK and Ireland that i can get involved with.

You seem to be very negative without demonstrating the down side for your own situation? Are you facing imminent redundancy or destitution because of Brexit?

While I greatly respect your contributions on motoring matters, it seems we fundementally disagree about Brexit. No matter.



It shouldn't affect me more than anyone else, especially since I'm now retired and free of worries about employment. I'm simply concerned about the health of the economy, the cost of living, and the likely added bureaucracy in travelling to, or buying gooss from, the EU.



Maybe I'm being thick, but I can't understand how your wife's company's opportunity is because of Brexit. They've been able to do business in Ireland (on the same basis as here) since 1973. It won't become easier (possibly the opposite) after Brexit.

Car_54

RichardD1970 wrote: »

Brexit may have had a slight effect on the car market in the UK due to people not wanting to take on £400+ PCP deals until they know where they stand.

It may have a big effect in future (if it happens), as the manufacturers will no longer be subject to the single market rules, which stop them charging significantly more in the UK than in the rest of the EU

RichardD1970

[quote=[Deleted User];75306234]It may have a big effect in future (if it happens), as the manufacturers will no longer be subject to the single market rules, which stop them charging significantly more in the UK than in the rest of the EU[/QUOTE]

Yes, I know, like I said I am at the sharp end and if there is a no deal/hard brexit things could get quite difficult on a personal level.

I was on about the present situation, today, with regards to the present difficulties and job losses.

motorguy

[quote=[Deleted User];75306215]While I greatly respect your contributions on motoring matters, it seems we fundementally disagree about Brexit. No matter.



It shouldn't affect me more than anyone else, especially since I'm now retired and free of worries about employment. I'm simply concerned about the health of the economy, the cost of living, and the likely added bureaucracy in travelling to, or buying gooss from, the EU.



Maybe I'm being thick, but I can't understand how your wife's company's opportunity is because of Brexit. They've been able to do business in Ireland (on the same basis as here) since 1973. It won't become easier (possibly the opposite) after Brexit.[/QUOTE]

They already do do business in ireland (and all over the world for that matter) however this is additional business they've sought out and won because companies there are wanting to gain a presence in the UK post brexit.

They're opening a Dublin office (and subsiduary) so they can more easily engage with irish companies and will use that as a base to push more business into the UK centres, and elsewhere.

As i said, they're looking for opportunities and will seek to benefit from them.

I'm not at all saying everything is rosy in the garden everywhere - its wholly not, in fact currently its a horrible mess of epic proportions - however when the dust settles there will be change and change brings opportunity. It wont all be negative change and even negative change for some will become a positive opportunity for others.

I'd rather be looking for ways to benefit from the change rather than sitting around on my hands complaining because it happened and every little thing that happens over the next 20+ years will be going "See! Because Brexit!".

motorguy

[quote=[Deleted User];75306234]It may have a big effect in future (if it happens), as the manufacturers will no longer be subject to the single market rules, which stop them charging significantly more in the UK than in the rest of the EU[/QUOTE]

Simple economics will tell you thats very unlikely to happen - prices go up, sales go down. All manufacturers now want volume and market share.

motorguy

RichardD1970 wrote: »

Not all, no.

I voted remain, and am at the sharp end of this.

The biggest effect of Brexit so far, personally, is that the company isn't releasing our full holiday dates until they know what's going on post 29th March in case they need to hold production and do as BMW are, shutting down for April.

Brexit may have had a slight effect on the car market in the UK due to people not wanting to take on £400+ PCP deals until they know where they stand.

Perfectly reasonable under the circumstances and not a big effect currently then?

And did anyone say there'd be no change or no effect or no short term difficulties? I dont think anyone did?

I think people are right to be holding off on big spends to see what happens - which conversely goes against the other argument we see on here that everyone who uses PCP deals is trapped into repeatedly doing the same thing again, when clearly given theres been a huge drop in new car sales (mostly because of dieselgate) people can and do make choices concerning their outgoings.

Sadly this has developed in to a "Brexit" thread.

So on that basis i'm out - i've made my thinking clear on how i plan on dealing with it. Other people clearly want to take a different approach.

AdrianC

facade wrote: »

I wish we would use Giga and Tera instead of American billions.

It makes perfect sense for a "billion" to be the same the world over, given how global everything is.

The OED is happy that British English has adopted the thousand million usage.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/how-many-is-a-billion/
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/billion

The UK government officially adopted it in 1975.

My heart always misses a beat when they talk about "£60 billion debt...." that is a million each!

Not for the last 44 years, officially.


That apart, let's put £6bn into context. It's less than three-quarters of one percent of UK government spending for this financial year - a total of £818bn.

facade

AdrianC wrote: »

The UK government officially adopted it in 1975.

Not me


I still live in the 1960s.

I still spell sulphur, sulphuric acid and foetus properly too


(IIRC, our Government agreed we would all miss-spell sulphur & foetus, if the Americans promised to spell aluminium properly- who cares? They don't even have the same sized gallons as we do)

AdrianC

What's a "gallon", Grandad? I'm only in my late 40s, so I only do metric.