The Prepping Thread - A Newer Beginning ;)

Nargleblast

We have to start getting back to some semblance of normality, whatever form that takes, but it has to be done cautiously in a controlled manner. Sooner or later children have to go back to school, Covid or no Covid, businesses have to start running again regardless of whether there is a vaccine or not. The Government and local authorities can make the rules and lay down  guidelines, businesses can make adaptations to ensure the safety of staff, customers and the public, but Joe Public also has a responsibility to behave sensibly. I am thinking of idiots in their hundreds or thousands driving to beaches and public areas on nice days. I am thinking of people coughing and sneezing without making any attempt to stop droplets from going over others. I am thinking that just because someone chooses to wear a face mask in a shop or on public transport doesn't mean that they are free to go right up to other people and lean over them. I am thinking, if you are in a shop, don't stand around having a gossip, just get on with your shopping and go. In a nutshell, if you choose to leave your home for any reason, do your best to keep a safe distance from other people, at least until the day comes that we know Covid 19 is no more.
I expect there will be another massive rise in cases of infection and deaths soon because there are still people around who are not taking this seriously. That will probably result in a new, stricter lockdown being imposed. I just hope it happens during the summer, I would hate it to happen during the cold, wet, miserable winter.

Floss

Nargle, your expectations are shared in the NW bit of the NHS, and I am so glad I no longer live in Blackpool! 

Nargleblast

Yes, things have eased off a bit here but it is not over yet, and probably won't be for several months at least, so nobody is being complacent. As far as I am concerned, even if the lockdown is lifted totally, I will be avoiding crowded places as best I can. I go to work two days a week, shopping I can either do online or go out once or twice a month. I have milk, eggs and orange juice delivered once a week and a fruit and veg van comes round the village once a week. I miss my monthly aromatherapy massage, my hair appointment every couple of months, my podiatry appointment every three months, but they are luxuries, not necessities. My choir sessions are currently via Zoom but might recommence physical rehearsals in the autumn, depending on developments. We will just have to see.

ivyleaf

Podiatry is a worry too for those of us with an ingrown toenail they can't treat themselves. I know from past experience that mine will become increasingly painful and then get infected 

Floss I expect Boris and Carrie have a nanny.

mrs_motivated

Nargleblast said:

Joe Public also has a responsibility to behave sensibly. I am thinking of idiots in their hundreds or thousands driving to beaches and public areas on nice days. I am thinking of people coughing and sneezing without making any attempt to stop droplets from going over others. I am thinking that just because someone chooses to wear a face mask in a shop or on public transport doesn't mean that they are free to go right up to other people and lean over them. I am thinking, if you are in a shop, don't stand around having a gossip, just get on with your shopping and go. In a nutshell, if you choose to leave your home for any reason, do your best to keep a safe distance from other people, at least until the day comes that we know Covid 19 is no more.
I expect there will be another massive rise in cases of infection and deaths soon because there are still people around who are not taking this seriously. 

Exactly this Nargleblast.

I can’t make up my  mind if they are complete idiots or just selfish self centred gits......on conclusion probably both.

annieb64

DH lost a filling. He phoned the dentist who said that they had run out of repair kits and that they were still trying to set up a hub for emergencies. They recommended sugar free gum.That didn't  work. About a week later they did phone to say they had the repair kits. Now he has broken a bit off a tooth on the other side of his mouth!

Floss

My team have been told we are wfh until Christmas...as we're not patient facing or clinical we are not needed on-site. Some of us are each doing 1 day in the office to pick up post etc which is rather a novelty, it's a bit like that weird time between Christmas & New Year!

greenbee

I spoke to my dentist the other week (he lives opposite my brother). He thinks they will gradually reopen, but given the PPE requirements will only be doing straightforward procedures. My bone graft, which was due last month, will be about 3-6 months away, as it can't be done until PPE requirements are reduced - it's a long procedure requiring close work. However, there are also developments in augmented reality technology which will help with some procedures. Dental hubs are open for emergency extractions, root canals and some fillings. Personally I still have a temporary filling kit in my first aid kit due to previous issues, but hope not to use it.

To @VJsmum's point about knowledge, the more data that is collected the more we will know, so if anyone hasn't downloaded the Kings College London app, I suggest you do so. Link here: https://covid.joinzoe.com/ I've been logging my symptoms since it launched, and was one of the 18k people tested for the study a couple of weeks ago (10 weeks after symptoms started). They're partially responsible for the addition of loss of taste and smell to the 'isolation symptoms' list. 

I'm not sure what's been going on in terms of the recent discussions, but remember, this is an online forum. It's difficult to interpret written text as the tone and subtleties are often lost. There will always be differences of opinion on threads like this, but that's how we get ideas. I think we need to remember that no one should take things personally - the nature of debate is that we're sharing ideas and discussing the options. 

euronorris

mrs_motivated said:

Nargleblast said:

Joe Public also has a responsibility to behave sensibly. I am thinking of idiots in their hundreds or thousands driving to beaches and public areas on nice days. I am thinking of people coughing and sneezing without making any attempt to stop droplets from going over others. I am thinking that just because someone chooses to wear a face mask in a shop or on public transport doesn't mean that they are free to go right up to other people and lean over them. I am thinking, if you are in a shop, don't stand around having a gossip, just get on with your shopping and go. In a nutshell, if you choose to leave your home for any reason, do your best to keep a safe distance from other people, at least until the day comes that we know Covid 19 is no more.
I expect there will be another massive rise in cases of infection and deaths soon because there are still people around who are not taking this seriously. 

Exactly this Nargleblast.

I can’t make up my  mind if they are complete idiots or just selfish self centred gits......on conclusion probably both.

I think people often don't analyse their own behaviour as well as they do others. It's very easy to think of people you know and care about as 'safe', as that is how we are programmed all our lives, essentially. We teach our children who to trust, and why, and our parents did the same with us. It can be very difficult to push that to one side because of a virus. A strong part of brain still recognises certain people as 'safe', when sadly that just isn't how it works with viruses (or any other contagious illness).

So, I think the same people who will quite happily sit and let their little ones play closely on the beach, or in a paddling pool in their front garden, for example, would berate others for doing the same thing. Objectively, to them, the strangers are unsafe, whereas their friends or family members are 'safe' in their minds.

It's not how it should work, but I think that is what is happening a lot. I have seen it with one colleague. Complaining about some peoples behaviours, and then posting pictures of her little boy playing in a paddling pool with another little boy. She only has one child. 

It's frustrating, but I can also see how it happens. I have had to fight that instinct myself, as it tells me certain people are safe, and I have to consciously remind myself that I can't possibly know if they have the virus, neither can they, and vice versa.

greenbee

euronorris said:

mrs_motivated said:

Nargleblast said:

Joe Public also has a responsibility to behave sensibly. I am thinking of idiots in their hundreds or thousands driving to beaches and public areas on nice days. I am thinking of people coughing and sneezing without making any attempt to stop droplets from going over others. I am thinking that just because someone chooses to wear a face mask in a shop or on public transport doesn't mean that they are free to go right up to other people and lean over them. I am thinking, if you are in a shop, don't stand around having a gossip, just get on with your shopping and go. In a nutshell, if you choose to leave your home for any reason, do your best to keep a safe distance from other people, at least until the day comes that we know Covid 19 is no more.
I expect there will be another massive rise in cases of infection and deaths soon because there are still people around who are not taking this seriously. 

Exactly this Nargleblast.

I can’t make up my  mind if they are complete idiots or just selfish self centred gits......on conclusion probably both.

I think people often don't analyse their own behaviour as well as they do others. It's very easy to think of people you know and care about as 'safe', as that is how we are programmed all our lives, essentially. We teach our children who to trust, and why, and our parents did the same with us. It can be very difficult to push that to one side because of a virus. A strong part of brain still recognises certain people as 'safe', when sadly that just isn't how it works with viruses (or any other contagious illness).

So, I think the same people who will quite happily sit and let their little ones play closely on the beach, or in a paddling pool in their front garden, for example, would berate others for doing the same thing. Objectively, to them, the strangers are unsafe, whereas their friends or family members are 'safe' in their minds.

It's not how it should work, but I think that is what is happening a lot. I have seen it with one colleague. Complaining about some peoples behaviours, and then posting pictures of her little boy playing in a paddling pool with another little boy. She only has one child. 

It's frustrating, but I can also see how it happens. I have had to fight that instinct myself, as it tells me certain people are safe, and I have to consciously remind myself that I can't possibly know if they have the virus, neither can they, and vice versa.

My nephew said something very similar to this the other day - he said it was hard to remember to keep 2m away from people you know really well (by which he meant me - the only person he's seen outside the family since lockdown started other than at a distance while out for a walk) because you think they're safe. TBH I am safe, because I haven't seen anyone - but that doesn't mean we can confuse the kids by changing the rules. We have to be consistent, and stick to the rules even though they may seem superfluous in a specific situation.