Stopping on a roundabout

Car_54

Carrot007 wrote: »

Is an exit on the roundabout?


Anyhow. Stoppingh on a roundabout is being a tit.

Unless parking is permitted.

Carrot007

Car_54 wrote: »

Unless parking is permitted.

Permitted or encouraged?


While it may be allowed there are many places where it would be stupid or being a tit. Consider the cost of paint to the local council.


Is you have examples of encouraged and actual parking spaces on a rounsabout please provide a google maps reference.


Otherwise it is just people taking the !!!! and parking where no sane person would because nothing implicitly tells them not to. I hope these sort of people stop breathing becasue they are also not told implicitly not to ;-)

almillar

Could you post a Google Maps link to the roundabout, andy13?
There is a huge variety of roundabouts, many of which you should not stop on as you would definitely cause an obstruction, regardless of strictly looking for a law that was or was not broken.
I would suggest that if a police officer bothered to tell you off about it, you probably shouldn't do it!

Tilt

andy13 wrote: »

Rule 242. Every Bus that stopped on the Highway to Board/alight passengers, every Goods vehicle loading/unloading would fall foul of this.

Bus stops are usually positioned so that they don't infringe on traffic flow and are sited with the approval of the respective local authority. Goods vehicles can unload/load on yellow lines providing they are not doing so where loading restrictions are present.

andy13 wrote: »

This issue was settled in Makda v the Parking Adjudicator in the High Court.
A long read if you want to http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=199321

"The general rule of law is now confirmed that taxi drivers, minicab drivers and any other drivers are allowed to wait for a long as necessary on single or double yellow lines for the purpose of picking up a passenger and/or their luggage. In the case of black cabs which can be hailed by a passenger in the street it is easy to see what time is taken and in the normal course of events that pickup time is clearly necessary."

This is irrelevant to your issue as far as I can see. It's referring to boarding and alighting exemptions while stopping on yellow lines, not for stopping on a roundabout.

andy13 wrote: »

The Highway Code isn't Law. It's an approved Code of Practice that sometimes quotes the relevant law. That's been done to death on here.

As already been pointed out, some HWC rules are supported by legislation so indeed are "law". Others are (as you say) 'guidance' BUT can also be used as guidance in a court of law when prosecuting a driver for a traffic offence contravening the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 22 (In you case I believe rule 243 applies)

andy13 wrote: »

The 10m of a junction is exactly that, advice not law.

If your'e so sure, why ask the question in the first place? But do let us know how you get in in court (assuming the police officer has reported you for the alleged offence).

Tilt

almillar wrote: »

Could you post a Google Maps link to the roundabout, andy13?
There is a huge variety of roundabouts, many of which you should not stop on as you would definitely cause an obstruction, regardless of strictly looking for a law that was or was not broken.
I would suggest that if a police officer bothered to tell you off about it, you probably shouldn't do it!

Absolutely!

Goudy

Although there may be more than one offence, like breaching any clearway rules and causing an interference with a junction

Car_54 wrote: »

Is that an offence?

In some cases, yes.
For instance, stopping in a yellow box junction unless turning right or parking in such away it blocks a junction.
The later would again come under the RTA, Part 1, Section 22, leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position.
The yellow box junction offence comes under Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 and is dealt with via a local authority PCN these days as they now snag you with cameras.

Clearways. yellow lines and local bus lanes are enforced under local Traffic Management acts unless a Red Route/Red Routed bus lane, then it's under one of Transport for London Roads Network acts, which usually involve fines that require every pint of your blood.
Anyone entering London is probably wise to check the difference between the two, particularly if they are on a motorcycle.
Local, clearway and yellow lined Bus lanes ban motorcycles, Red Routed ones don't and it's not always clear when one turns into the other, though the accompanying fine tends to clear it up later.

The driver in the original post would have been alright in Greece, they still give priority to vehicles entering a roundabout, so you have to stop on them to let other user on it.

Car_54

Carrot007 wrote: »

Is you have examples of encouraged and actual parking spaces on a rounsabout please provide a google maps reference.

The example I had in mind is Stenhouse Cross in Edinburgh. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Stenhouse+Cross,+Edinburgh/@55.932667,-3.2602461,19.04z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4887c6f48547ef93:0x8336870762d45685!8m2!3d55.932667!4d-3.2596435?hl=en


It is on a busy road (major bus route), and the parking is well-used with shops and take-aways. It also has a zebra crossing at each exit, which isn't best practice either. It has been largely unchanged for at least 50 years to my knowledge, and seems to work OK.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Carrot007 wrote: »

Is an exit on the roundabout?


Anyhow. Stoppingh on a roundabout is being a tit. No sane person would do it. It people I were picking up stood there I sould expect them to walk to a resonable place or be left.


Random annecdote. I once witnessed a tool stop on the inner lane of the roundabout, get out and make a phone call. And this was the 90s so answering a call would have been fine in the car (as long as not being an idiot, so probably not for them).

What you on about? i quoted that op is right about the Highway code nothing to with whether roundbouts have exits. ODD!

Car_54

Goudy wrote: »

Although there may be more than one offence, like breaching any clearway rules and causing an interference with a junction

In some cases, yes.
For instance, stopping in a yellow box junction unless turning right or parking in such away it blocks a junction.
The later would again come under the RTA, Part 1, Section 22, leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position.
The yellow box junction offence comes under Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 and is dealt with via a local authority PCN these days as they now snag you with cameras.

Clearways. yellow lines and local bus lanes are enforced under local Traffic Management acts unless a Red Route/Red Routed bus lane, then it's under one of Transport for London Roads Network acts, which usually involve fines that require every pint of your blood.
Anyone entering London is probably wise to check the difference between the two, particularly if they are on a motorcycle.
Local, clearway and yellow lined Bus lanes ban motorcycles, Red Routed ones don't and it's not always clear when one turns into the other, though the accompanying fine tends to later.

The driver in the original post would have been alright in Greece, they still give priority to vehicles entering a roundabout, so you have to stop on them to let other user on it.

So "causing an interference with a junction" is not an offence.

Goudy

This is a little pedantic, no it's not an actual offence, it's the act of doing so that could be.

No ones been charged with slashing someone throat, that's murder or attempted murder.

Parking a vehicle in a position or in such condition or in such circumstances as to involve a danger of injury to other persons using the road is an offence.
This could be at a junction and the act of doing this could interfere with the junctions normal operation (ie blocking it)