Is this country going to crap?

Nathaniel_Essex

enthusiasticsaver wrote: »

I lived in London 30 years ago and moved away. Property prices too high, travel routes too crowded and general lifestyle too fast and people unfriendly. We don't see the levels of crime and gang activity in our area. Can you move away from London or does your job depend on you living there?

Somewhat yes. I can work from home in my current role, but my jobs have not been stable enough for me to risk moving further out, though is on the radar once/if I can find a role I feel stable in.

Gavin83

Guess it comes down to your own desires. I live in London, have for a while and love it. Have lived in places considered 'unsafe', including Stratford and frankly haven't witnessed anything described or ever felt under threat. I don't find it particularly unfriendly either or even expensive, except for housing. It's buzzing and there's always something to do. My only real complaint with the place is it's too busy, particularly on transport. It's not for everyone mind. Saying this I will be moving out in the next few years, mainly for a bigger house and less people.

Didn't really take long for this to descend into yet another 'slagging off London' thread did it.

Comms69

This isn't anything new.


Crime is lower than previous generations.


The issue is that the media are:


A: using these stories to sell papers / views / etc.
B: Have an agenda of their own


84 men a week commit suicide in this country. This is nothing to do with loss of life.

gettingtheresometime

jackieblack wrote: »

Ditto
You really can't judge the whole country by what's happening in London
I agree with dawyldthing - I wouldn't live in, or close to, London even if you paid me to.

Can you add my vote to I can't see why people rave over London ?

LandyAndy

Nathaniel_Essex wrote: »

In bad areas you need to invest in top schools and give teachers powers to kick out trouble makers without any issues. You need to link the child's behaviour to the parents living location. Make sure all the bad children, their entire families are living in one, very particular estate, which no one in the public has to walk through. If the parent wants out, the children need to be in school regularly, not be suspected of being in a gang etc. and they can then move to the "better" part of town. If they start causing trouble, move them back to the estate. Stops susceptible kids being influenced at a young age and gives them a chance to grow up without the rif-raf.

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Then one good fire and problem solved?

I'm not sure that separating people whose attitudes you want to change from all the people whose attitudes you want them to espouse is going to be a very successful policy

Comms69

LandyAndy wrote: »

Then one good fire and problem solved?

I'm not sure that separating people whose attitudes you want to change from all the people whose attitudes you want them to espouse is going to be a very successful policy

Sounds very much like Warsaw in 1941/2

hazyjo

It's hard not to be spooked as we hear EVERYTHING now what with social media, etc. But - be honest with yourself - has anything ever actually happened to you? Or to anyone you actually know (not a friend of a friend type thing). Hand on heart, the only problems I have been told of are two white people (my OH and a friend) who have been spat at or told to leave the area as it was 'theirs' (in Islington and East Ham). My ex husband's niece was raped in a park many years ago in/near Beckton, but that was back in the '90s, not current.

You may feel unsafe, but that's different to actually being unsafe.

Can't believe I'm defending London here lol - but there are good and bad bits. We loved North Chingford. I've never let areas intimidate me. I avoid Westfield cos it's just too busy for me (was at the cinema there a few weeks back), but I have got the bus to Walthamstow a few times before and felt safe enough.

I work in the City and always feel pretty safe up here too.

Saying that, I MUCH prefer where I live now. I feel like I've gone back 30 years or so. We do get some trouble, mainly from outsiders who come to Leigh to nick stuff as the town is seen as a bit of a wealthy soft touch. People are shocked by it (it's happened more recently). I'm hoping they react quickly to prevent future issues. Lots of it are down to drugs and homeless problems in nearby areas (same for the rest of the country). It desperately needs addressing. Not sure what the answers are... but know sending people one-way to Southend from London will not be helping matters!

BucksLady

Nathaniel_Essex wrote: »

I could rant on forever but want your opinion on the above and your thoughts on this country in general

There are many issues which need to be addressed, but on the whole, there is so much in this country which we should be grateful for

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We need to be honest here and say that the majority of the kids being stabbed and doing the stabbing are black.


I had lived / worked in London for 10 years and the black mothers I worked with say one reason is cultural in that its normal for women to have babies out of wedlock or even a partner and therefore young boys in particular have no male role models growing up therefore are vulnerable to these gangs as the first male company they get hooked up with. The supposed ' glamour and money' turns their heads.


Stop and search was stopped but I wonder if those mothers who have lost kids would prefer it done if it saved lives.

In some quarters of London there is a cesspit of people with no value on life and nothing to live for so they want the easiest route to respect, money and that is stealing , drugs etc.


I blame a lack of resources and a political correctness that has stifled debate on the subject. Kids should not be leaving school with no education and no hope.


Finally I don't think the media help in that bad news sells yet up and down the land good people are doing wonderful things that we don't hear about. If you don't put it into perspective we'll all end up living in gated communities like South Africa out of fear.

Comms69

BBH123 wrote: »

We need to be honest here and say that the majority of the kids being stabbed and doing the stabbing are black. - That might be true. But I'm not sure it's the root cause.


I had lived / worked in London for 10 years and the black mothers I worked with say one reason is cultural in that its normal for women to have babies out of wedlock - it's normal in all areas of society. or even a partner and therefore young boys in particular have no male role models growing up - this isn't a cultural thing though. It's people making bad decisions; having a child with the wrong person therefore are vulnerable to these gangs as the first male company they get hooked up with. The supposed ' glamour and money' turns their heads. - it's much more economics related


Stop and search was stopped but I wonder if those mothers who have lost kids would prefer it done if it saved lives. - irrelevant. Stopping people with no cause is not the answer. It's tyrannical.

In some quarters of London there is a cesspit of people with no value on life and nothing to live for so they want the easiest route to respect, money and that is stealing , drugs etc. - Which is a breakdown of social fabric.


I blame a lack of resources and a political correctness that has stifled debate on the subject. Kids should not be leaving school with no education and no hope. - I agree. but the reason (or A reason) is that they grow up on the benefits system. They have no work ethic.


Finally I don't think the media help in that bad news sells yet up and down the land good people are doing wonderful things that we don't hear about. If you don't put it into perspective we'll all end up living in gated communities like South Africa out of fear.

This is quite clearly to me a social problem; not a cultural one.


The state is supporting the breakdown of monogamous relationships and this is a key part of why young boys have an endless stream of uncles in their lives