Is this country going to crap?

Nathaniel_Essex

I think we are all old enough to have a mature conversation without a mod blocking this topic or it turning into a cesspool of hate.

Living in London, it's like everyday all I am hearing is another young person being killed, someone being stabbed or having acid thrown in their face. It has got to a point where I avoid going to shopping centers like Westfield because it has become a hangout spot for rowdy kids and thugs causing a scene, getting into fights, thefts and a bunch of other stuff. I would go back home to my parents and the streets are brown from degenerates spitting tobacco on the streets.

I move out to the other side of London to get away from it all. Within a year, the other councils are sending their worst people to our area and now we are seeing a drastic rise in knife crime and gang activity whilst Sadiq Khan forces our council to accept these people and build more "social housing".

I could rant on forever but want your opinion on the above and your thoughts on this country in general

elsien

From the contents of your post, it would be more accurately titled "is London going to crap."

The country is fine where I am, thanks for asking.

ETA - it's not Sadiq Khan to blame for councils sending people out of area, it's the BTL landlords making a fortune from HMOs.

dawyldthing

I wouldn’t live near London even if you paid me. The rent is astronomical. Everyone seems to live there ‘cos it’s london’ but then your living for work rather than working to live. Yeah you earn more but add up your travel costs, travel time and extra rent/ mortgage and I bet there’s not that much in it.

I live in the midlands. It’s fairly priced, touch wood not that much crime (in my area I think there was one stabbing 5 years ago and it was an ex partner, and this is in 25 years of living in the area), folk are friendly enough while still having your space. Plus it’s pretty reasonably priced.

Which is how it should be.

Kayalana99

I've lived in a 'rough' area and I can't say it was anything like you were saying. I think it all depends where you live but town centers seem to attract trouble in the bucket load...but again nothing like you are saying.

East Midlands here. We're in a nice quiet town now where even kids in street are respectful.

Just a thought perhaps high prices pushes people to be more desperate so more likely for people to turn to crime to be able to handle the cost of living?

PasturesNew

Everywhere had one bad boy ... with their little team of wannabes and mates. Thing is, back then, you could avoid them and you knew who/where they were. They couldn't really get up to much.

These days, with smartphones, they can all be in touch and instantly get 100 people down the road for a bit of a fight ... or they can taunt enemies from miles away with a few pokes at a screen.

They can video/share their "triumphs"... and do.

This then becomes "the norm" as other losers see it happening "and nothing happens to them", so they, too, want to show off and do the same.

Unfortunately Yuman Ritez on its own probably means they're unstoppable.

WW3 won't come from without, it's started from within as a cancer of poor behaviour is growing out of control.

The real, bottom line, is there are too many people - in the country and in the world.... and you can't stop people breeding and moving ... so there'll be increasingly too many people....

The ability to communicate on a whim + too many people = the end.

And that's how it'll be 20+ years into the future... like some post apocalyptic film set.

Who is to blame? Well, it's the parents... not the good ones, but the ones Too Soft Society allowed to dis-nurture.

jackieblack

elsien wrote: »

From the contents of your post, it would be more accurately titled "is London going to crap."

The country is fine where I am,

Ditto
You really can't judge the whole country by what's happening in London
I agree with dawyldthing - I wouldn't live in, or close to, London even if you paid me to.

NeilCr

I lived in what was considered a rough part of London for five years and it was fine. Multi cultural and within easy walking distance of parks, good restaurants and with plenty of transport links. Like most places you had to be street wise and avoid one or two known trouble spots.

I've moved out of London and wouldn't want to go back. Nothing to do with anything in the OP. It's just so busy, frenetic and crowded - I enjoy the slower pace of life now I am older. Where I am, on the Kent coast, it's peaceful and it's lovely to walk by the sea. There are issues but see above re being a bit street wise - avoid certain places like parts of the town centre on a Saturday night. On the flip side we have some great restaurants and pubs and it's friendlier than London

Personally, I struggle with doom and gloom merchants like the OP. There are plenty of positives about this country including London if you look for them. Some people, unfortunately, tend to dwell on the negatives

74jax

Nathaniel_Essex wrote: »

I think we are all old enough to have a mature conversation without a mod blocking this topic or it turning into a cesspool of hate.

Living in London, it's like everyday all I am hearing is another young person being killed, someone being stabbed or having acid thrown in their face. It has got to a point where I avoid going to shopping centers like Westfield because it has become a hangout spot for rowdy kids and thugs causing a scene, getting into fights, thefts and a bunch of other stuff. I would go back home to my parents and the streets are brown from degenerates spitting tobacco on the streets.

I move out to the other side of London to get away from it all. Within a year, the other councils are sending their worst people to our area and now we are seeing a drastic rise in knife crime and gang activity whilst Sadiq Khan forces our council to accept these people and build more "social housing".

I could rant on forever but want your opinion on the above and your thoughts on this country in general

This would be better placed in the discussion area of the site.

I live in the North East and love it. Very respectful area. I wouldn't live in London and have no desire too.

You can't say the 'whole country' when referring to one place.

buglawton

Could the lack of police officers on the beat have something to do with OPs lament? A 14% reduction in police personnel since 2010 and elsewhere I read that most police work in offices shuffling paper and filling forms (or the electronic equivalent).

40% of the public in a poll could not recall seeing a beat officer in the past year.

enthusiasticsaver

I lived in London 30 years ago and moved away. Property prices too high, travel routes too crowded and general lifestyle too fast and people unfriendly. We don't see the levels of crime and gang activity in our area. Can you move away from London or does your job depend on you living there? We wouldn't move back there either. Shame really but it is not the London I grew up in during the 60s. To a degree though partly it is the 24 hour media alerting us to the bad stuff which years ago they didn't. I am sure there were pockets with gang activity, Brixton was a cesspit but is now trendy. I am sure it comes down to the high cost of living there which drives people to desperate things. Th3 acid throwing and gang life is probably down to drugs, unemployment and people having little to look forward to. Not an excuse for them but if people feel they have no future they lose respect for the law and their fellow neighbours. Not sure what the answer is except to recruit more police, build more prisons and make sentences longer. That all costs money though which we don't have.

Nathaniel_Essex

buglawton wrote: »

Could the lack of police officers on the beat have something to do with OPs lament? A 14% reduction in police personnel since 2010 and elsewhere I read that most police work in offices shuffling paper and filling forms (or the electronic equivalent).

40% of the public in a poll could not recall seeing a beat officer in the past year.

Thanks all for the replies. Was naive of me to say "this country", especially as I have been nearly every major city here, and other places, and can say for the most part it's great.
My rant just came from frustration and seeing more and more people, that many will call degenerates, move into my area, new gangs forming and so on, all when I am raising a young child.

To answer your question buglawton, a rise in crime (in my opinion) has little, if anything, to do with the police. For me, the police are there to respond to crime and apprehend criminals. If crime is sky rocketing, it's down to poor government decisions and bad parenting. Someone above mentioned that you can't stop people moving and breeding. It may sound slightly like a Nazi-Eugenics policy but in order to solve the problem, you have to separate the bad from the good and have welfare policies that don't encourage the worst of the worst to multiply whilst discouraging the down-trodden working/middle class with stupid tax rules and near zero support with childcare and housing cost.

In bad areas you need to invest in top schools and give teachers powers to kick out trouble makers without any issues. You need to link the child's behaviour to the parents living location. Make sure all the bad children, their entire families are living in one, very particular estate, which no one in the public has to walk through. If the parent wants out, the children need to be in school regularly, not be suspected of being in a gang etc. and they can then move to the "better" part of town. If they start causing trouble, move them back to the estate. Stops susceptible kids being influenced at a young age and gives them a chance to grow up without the rif-raf.

They also need to stop destroying London suburbs by removing the policy that means new housing estates have to include houses for being on benefits and give the locals a say on whether these places are built.