International students are abandoning the UK

movilogo

lisyloo wrote: »

Do you have a link to the remainer prediction?
Did it say UK would decrease whilst we remain in the Eu???

See the #1 post in this thread.

Crashy_Time

PhilE wrote: »

I'll give you a more plausible answer, they don't want to make an investment in a country that's stupid enough to sabotage its own economy based on images of Syrian refugees on youtube. A country that has become so over populated with the uneducated, they can't work out that terrorists from the Middle East don't actually come from Germany.

People are looking at the former world power that was the UK and laughing. They see a bunch of obese football hooligans taking pride in smashing the place up. Thousands of ignorant racists who can barely speak English, thinking that Brexit will create a magic carpet that will roll up 'der foreignaarrss.'

Rising crime, decreased standard of living. Increase in racism and thuggery. Even the government has to be reminded to treat its own subjects with decency, and respect for basic human rights. The Snoopers Charter was an example of that.

I wouldn't advise any students to study in the UK. Stick with the EU if you want economic prosperity. Britain is about to drown in chavs.

I take it you voted Remain?

Crashy_Time

Dm155 wrote: »

I’m currently in China, and speak to business owners, government officials and others who can afford to send their kids abroad to study pretty regularly. Almost every parent here wants to send their kids abroad for uni, unless their kid wants to go into politics (studying in a top tier Chinese university gives you an edge there). The U.K. and US are predominately their first choice, however this is currently changing- places like Australia and Canada are becoming more popular at the moment.

This isn’t because of anti-immigrant sentiment, they have no idea who Nigel Farage is, and an extremely limited knowledge of U.K. politics- furthermore, China is more ethnocentric than any European state, you are never truly Chinese unless you are ethnically Chinese, it is truly an ethno-state, where foreigners are only accepted if they truly offer something valuable to the state. They understand that unchecked immigration has negative aspects, and don’t consider this an issue.

From my experience (my sample size isn’t huge and others could have completely different opinions) it all comes down to safety. The U.K. is no longer looked upon as one of the safest places to spend 3/5 years in. Videos of moped gangs terrorising old women, and terrorist attacks are 10000% more likely to make social media here than any form of anti-immigrant rhetoric spouted by Tommy Robinson or Farage.

You also have to take into account that the Chinese people are generally quite racist theirselves. And when they see thousands of people coming into the U.K. from the Middle East and Africa, their safety concerns are only amplified. I’m not suggesting such concerns are valid or not, that’s a completely different debate which doesn’t really matter. This is how the elite in China view things at the moment, and if the number of international students from China starts to drop, it’s not due to the U.K. offering a sub-par education, the prestige of going to a U.K. or US university is still massive.

Sure I saw some moped gang type footage from China somewhere recently, sure it was China, although I am sure the penalty on being caught is slightly stiffer than here in the UK? What your post seems to be saying is that many young Chinese are pretty brainwashed and don`t have a rational view of safety issues that are likely to affect them?

Socajam

michaels wrote: »

Thank goodness once fom is ended we will be able to balance the benefits of skilled migration against the costs of over population on terms that suit the uk.

In your ignorance, you do realize that international students are the ones keeping these universities afloat through the high fees that are charged. These high fees have helped to keep the fees for UK students down.
So while you are crowing, just bear in mind that this will hit UK students who can ill afforded right where it hurts - by increase in fees.
Hopefully this will have a huge impact on student loans and the government will have to change course and ensure that all students loans are repaid, irrespective of how much a person earns.
This cannot come fast enough - it's call accountability and that nothing in life is FREE

lisyloo

movilogo wrote: »

See the #1 post in this thread.

Sorry I’m not getting the reference to remainers.
I can see it’s references immigration policy.

Can you explain how this is linked to people that want to stay in the EU. It’s talking about immigration policies we have NOW.

Herzlos

Socajam wrote: »

In your ignorance, you do realize that international students are the ones keeping these universities afloat through the high fees that are charged. These high fees have helped to keep the fees for UK students down.

Indeed, foreign students pay a fortune to be educated in the UK. They probably also come from a more wealthy background and will spend more money in the economy without being much of a drain. It probably just won't be in nightclubs.

it's call accountability and that nothing in life is FREE

It was free for the boomers who seem to enraged at free education. That's not fair though as it's still not actually free - university graduates statistically earn more than non-graduates, and pay more tax. Taking a rough £5k pay gap over a 50 year working life (because no-one graduating now at 22 is going to be retiring before 72), means an increase of income tax alone of £50k, which should easily cover their education.
For those who go to university and don't earn enough to pay it back, then it gets written off anyway. So the more logical solution is to just make it free at source and reap the rewards, instead of wasting huge money on administering debt that'll never be cleared, or putting people off even trying by financially burdening them for their entire life.

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

For those who go to university and don't earn enough to pay it back, then it gets written off anyway. So the more logical solution is to just make it free at source and reap the rewards, instead of wasting huge money on administering debt that'll never be cleared, or putting people off even trying by financially burdening them for their entire life.

My impression of the insistence on charging fees is that it's ideological rather than practical. Young people can't be seen getting higher education "for free", or think themselves worthy of it, so there has to be a political backstop to force them back into the box of being a customer.

Ultimately this is where the Tories want everyone to be, because customers are not stakeholders. They don't have a say in society and aren't treated like they do. They take what they are given and have the freedom to complain (usually fultilely) to the service provider afterwards if they don't like it.

Universities should be a central part of our culture and public life. I completely agree that some of the courses being run, shouldn't be. So take uni funding back into public hands and stop funding these programmes. That's an end to teenagers with a D and an E spending 3 years studying "Pop Music Studies" at a stroke.

For the people worrying about International students taking places that would be held by UK students, this is a myth, the two recruitment streams are completely different. If you have 100 UK students on a course and 100 (eligible) Chinese students apply, that just means an extra couple of lecturers get hired and the Vice Chanceller receives another inflation busting pay rise the following year.

itwasntme001

Most degrees are useless, a waste of time and a waste of tax payer money. What we need to do is:


- Keep the degrees that are a requirement to lead directly onto a career such as medicine, dentistry, engineering etc that is a need for our country.


- Keep degrees that are your traditional science and social science subjects ONLY at the top 10-15 universities in their respective fields. Usually it is the top 10-15 unis who are good at all these subjects anyway. This way only the smartest in their respective fields go onto study the subjects and out of those there will be a % who go onto being academics or undertake research in order to further developments in these subjects.


- Get rid of student loan funding by the taxpayer for the rest of the degrees. This will lead to a closure of many universities - the low ranking and those offering only mickey mouse courses. These universities have been given so much money that they do not deserve.



Young adults who do not want to go onto have a career where a degree is a requirement or are not capable or want to study a traditional subjects can just go into work directly after GCSE or A-Level. This will open up more companies offering training placements at their firms that can lead to a full time position.


All this will mean is that we have much fewer graduates, degrees will be for the top achievers, less burden on the taxpayer, less worries about student loans, young adults starting careers sooner and earning sooner and a much better and more dynamic economy.

itwasntme001

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-48490573/i-m-suing-my-university-over-mickey-mouse-degree


Interesting how the University's insurer paid out to settle. I would have thought the University would gone through the court process if they disagree with the claim. Maybe to deter others from also suing?


This case confirms with my post above - these mickey mouse courses need to be shut down. All funding by the taxpayer needs to stop asap. Otherwise you could have many other graduates suing universities and universities having to pay out for their own pocket to settle which is effectively the taxpayers money in the first place.

GreatApe

Give the students the £60k loans to do with as they wish

Pay for a higher education and living costs. ok
Use it as a deposit on a house. ok
Put it into a tracker fund. ok
Use it as funds to start a business. ok

With choice much fewer kids would opt for the university education, seeing rightly as the others of equal or higher value

If they put it into a tracker and it returned just 5% above inflation over the long term. By retirement their £60k would be worth £540k in todays money. If they earned just min wage and lived at home and saved half of that too for the 3 years not studying. Their lump sum at retirement would be worth £750,000. Is a degree in photography really going to net someone £750,000 more over their working life especially post tax income? hell no

Options!!
The kids need options
Right now its take this £60k for university or we give you nothing