International students are abandoning the UK

PhilE

Foreign students don't want to come to a country, where the racists just came out of the closet?

Really?!

mustiuc

PhilE, let me help you. Foreign students don't want to be told to go back to their country since their very first day in UK/Uni.

movilogo

University education needs a shake up. It is still based on pre-internet era. Nowdays one can learn more from YouTube type video channels and does not have to physically attend classes all the time. Of course, classrooms are still needed for few interactiosn with fellow students and doing physical experiments in the lab.


Universities nowadays are businesses with an aim to make profit. Universities use foreign students as cash cows.

International students pay higher fees and not eligible (non-EU) for loans from UK govt. Hence, they are sought after by unis.

UK students who stay in UK have to pay back loans.

Non EU students don't take money from UK so they don't have to pay anything back.

EU students are eligible for loans from UK but if they return to their own countries UK will have very tough time
recovering loans.

kabayiri

movilogo wrote: »

University education needs a shake up. It is still based on pre-internet era. Nowdays one can learn more from YouTube type video channels and does not have to physically attend classes all the time. Of course, classrooms are still needed for few interactiosn with fellow students and doing physical experiments in the lab.


Universities nowadays are businesses with an aim to make profit. Universities use foreign students as cash cows.
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Yes, they are a business now, but it's also a volume product.

They need sheer physical numbers to keep the business model going.

Visit a modern campus, and you see these deluxe residential blocks, almost like mini hotels.

I'm not sure how quickly they could switch to a virtual model. Maybe they could go for more intense courses within a 2 year time frame?

PhilE

mustiuc wrote: »

PhilE, let me help you. Foreign students don't want to be told to go back to their country since their very first day in UK/Uni.

I'll give you a more plausible answer, they don't want to make an investment in a country that's stupid enough to sabotage its own economy based on images of Syrian refugees on youtube. A country that has become so over populated with the uneducated, they can't work out that terrorists from the Middle East don't actually come from Germany.

People are looking at the former world power that was the UK and laughing. They see a bunch of obese football hooligans taking pride in smashing the place up. Thousands of ignorant racists who can barely speak English, thinking that Brexit will create a magic carpet that will roll up 'der foreignaarrss.'

Rising crime, decreased standard of living. Increase in racism and thuggery. Even the government has to be reminded to treat its own subjects with decency, and respect for basic human rights. The Snoopers Charter was an example of that.

I wouldn't advise any students to study in the UK. Stick with the EU if you want economic prosperity. Britain is about to drown in chavs.

Herzlos

movilogo wrote: »

University education needs a shake up. It is still based on pre-internet era. Nowdays one can learn more from YouTube type video channels and does not have to physically attend classes all the time.

For some things, video and remote learning can be sufficient, but you'll almost always get a better learning experience when in the same room as the class and interacting with it. The main exception being those lecturers that just read out a script, but they are dreadful in any format.

John_G_Jones

evenasus wrote: »

My grandson started his first year at Cambridge University in September. He told me there are more international students than UK ones.

When he went there earlier this year to take the STEP exams, there were 30 from UK sitting them. They were told that probably only 15 of them would be accepted. In the end there were only 4 offered a place.

There are not more international students, Cambridge claims that they make up 13% of the undergraduate numbers.

Dm155

I’m currently in China, and speak to business owners, government officials and others who can afford to send their kids abroad to study pretty regularly. Almost every parent here wants to send their kids abroad for uni, unless their kid wants to go into politics (studying in a top tier Chinese university gives you an edge there). The U.K. and US are predominately their first choice, however this is currently changing- places like Australia and Canada are becoming more popular at the moment.

This isn’t because of anti-immigrant sentiment, they have no idea who Nigel Farage is, and an extremely limited knowledge of U.K. politics- furthermore, China is more ethnocentric than any European state, you are never truly Chinese unless you are ethnically Chinese, it is truly an ethno-state, where foreigners are only accepted if they truly offer something valuable to the state. They understand that unchecked immigration has negative aspects, and don’t consider this an issue.

From my experience (my sample size isn’t huge and others could have completely different opinions) it all comes down to safety. The U.K. is no longer looked upon as one of the safest places to spend 3/5 years in. Videos of moped gangs terrorising old women, and terrorist attacks are 10000% more likely to make social media here than any form of anti-immigrant rhetoric spouted by Tommy Robinson or Farage.

You also have to take into account that the Chinese people are generally quite racist theirselves. And when they see thousands of people coming into the U.K. from the Middle East and Africa, their safety concerns are only amplified. I’m not suggesting such concerns are valid or not, that’s a completely different debate which doesn’t really matter. This is how the elite in China view things at the moment, and if the number of international students from China starts to drop, it’s not due to the U.K. offering a sub-par education, the prestige of going to a U.K. or US university is still massive.

movilogo

UK overtakes the US as the favourite destination for Chinese overseas students as they shun American schools and universities amid the trade war

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7081787/UK-overtakes-favourite-destination-Chinese-overseas-students-amid-trade-war.html

Another remainers prediction proven wrong.

lisyloo

movilogo wrote: »

UK overtakes the US as the favourite destination for Chinese overseas students as they shun American schools and universities amid the trade war

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7081787/UK-overtakes-favourite-destination-Chinese-overseas-students-amid-trade-war.html

Another remainers prediction proven wrong.

Do you have a link to the remainer prediction?
Did it say UK would decrease whilst we remain in the Eu???