International students are abandoning the UK

kabayiri

50% of PHD students in the USA are from abroad.

They know who to target. It helps explain why much of the tech innovation comes from the USA.

We have too many courses which are frankly dross, not even value for money.

Somebody phoned in to a radio show to explain why :-
- medic student , typically costs Uni £50K pa to run
- arts student , typical cost £2.8K pa to run

Now, which of these is the Uni going to profit from? Hmm...that's a toughie !

Herzlos

Pennywise wrote: »

Yes, many were in that category, but there was also wholesale abuse of fake students studying at dodgy training centres pretending to be here to study

There's certainly a problem with people arriving on a student visa and never turning up to the course, but they'll then be illegals and unable to work or claim benefits so I'm not sure how large a problem it is.


When I did it I had to prove that I could afford to keep myself whilst in the country (bank statement), and that I had intended to go home afterwards (quite a bit harder if you're a teenager with no mortgage/job/marriage/etc). So I'm pretty sure it's something we should be able to handle.

We must be able to filter those ones without hurting those paying huge sums to attend prestigious universities. Ditto for the rampant racism that's putting others off.

A_Pandiculation

Arklight wrote: »

International students are abandoning the UK

No they aren't, the whole article is an opinion piece with no facts relating to the UK seeing any "abandoning". That would be because it's a blatant lie but of course a little thing like truth doesn't stop it being used by haters.

Of course the UK can't be complacent but despite Brexit numbers are increasing. Figures will probably not be released until the end of this month for this year's enrolment but last year saw a record number of international students admissions. That's not being "abandoned" is it? Of course there's competition. More young people are going to university & China are sending record numbers to study outside China every year. Isn't Australia closer and cheaper than the UK for them?

So instead of just falling for that obviously biased opinion without any supporting evidence, try looking a little deeper at facts and figures.



https://www.itv.com/news/2017-11-27/ucas-university-admissions-eu/
https://www.studying-in-uk.org/international-student-statistics-in-uk-2018/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/05/eu-applicants-rise-100000-foreign-students-apply-uk-universities/
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/blogs/required-reading-increasing-numbers-international-students#survey-answer

movilogo

The news link does not give any numbers of how many fewer students are coming over last few years.

So, just a scaremonering again by "remainers".

Also, international students have realized that standard of some universities are worse than those in their home countries. So, they dont' want to waster money on degrees there.

kabayiri

movilogo wrote: »

The news link does not give any numbers of how many fewer students are coming over last few years.

So, just a scaremonering again by "remainers".

Also, international students have realized that standard of some universities are worse than those in their home countries. So, they dont' want to waster money on degrees there.

It's a global market now.

I had a look around University of Queensland recently. It's pretty impressive. Chinese students are global consumers; they are entitled to look elsewhere.

Increasingly, our students are doing it !

stator

The fact that the UKs best universities are filled with mediocre foreign students is not a good thing.

Our whole universities sector needs consolidation and reform.
There are too many universities and too many university places.

We need to focus on quality, not quantity.
University educucation should be free and solely for students from the UK who are bright enough to go.

Sapphire

Cakeguts wrote: »

Luckily the message is now getting through that most of the universities in the UK are not worth attending because of the extremely low standards. To attract international students you have to have universities that offer a good quality education not what most of them offer now.

I'd imagine that if this is true, it is also the case that the often wealthy families who sent their offspring to be educated at British 'unis' perhaps don't want the political indoctrination that the UK institutions so generously provide to their pupils as a free extra, along with increasingly poor 'education'. Such students do generally seem come from privileged and somewhat conservative backgrounds that wouldn't be too happy with their youth being brainwashed.

Much of the generally poorly educated masses that British 'unis' (now run as businesses making large amounts of money for those at the top of such businesses) seem to be churning out is not really going to be very useful to society as a whole.

Shame apprenticeships/the trades/technical colleges and so on have not been encouraged (and recognised) more in this country, along with the small business that used them to such good effect. They are what much of British youth should have been pushed into, not into 'unis' teaching people worthless degrees that will do little to provide them with skills useful in employment.

Malthusian

Sapphire wrote: »

Shame apprenticeships/the trades/technical colleges and so on have not been encouraged (and recognised) more in this country, along with the small business that used them to such good effect. They are what much of British youth should have been pushed into, not into 'unis' teaching people worthless degrees that will do little to provide them with skills useful in employment.

Both sides of Parliament think it's better for a son of a miner to go to a third-rate university, get a degree in Geography or Politics, and spend the rest of his life as an unskilled labourer under the stigma of a "debt" he'll never pay off, than learn to become a plumber or other skilled tradesman and earn £50,000+ a year.

Labour thinks that it's beneath him, and the Tories think it's above him.

80% of the universities in the UK should be appopriated by the taxpayer, razed to the ground, the land sold to developers, and the proceeds used to write off student "loans". If international students cottoning on to the fact that they're unwitting participants in a scam speeds up this day of reckoning, so much the better.

System

Cakeguts wrote: »

Luckily the message is now getting through that most of the universities in the UK are not worth attending because of the extremely low standards. To attract international students you have to have universities that offer a good quality education not what most of them offer now.

The UK has 51 of the top 500 universities worldwide as ranked by QS. That is higher than any other nation in the EU.

System

Tarambor wrote: »

The UK has 51 of the top 500 universities worldwide as ranked by QS.

So amend Malthusian's figures, and only pull down the other 79 (60%).