MOTO Southwaite charge for sleeping in car

Coupon-mad

The Govt tried (weakly) to ban penalties at MSAs about 8(?) years ago and sent out a consultation - a general one dealing with lots of MSA issues & policies - where the strong starting position from their end, was that people should be allowed to pay the next day (like a congestion charge) and not be penalised because they knew about reams of complaints from tired motorists & wanted to protect them.

...unfortunately we spotted the consultation too late (it was before we had high profile people like the Parking Prankster and stakeholders like the BMPA to be alerted to such things).

Guess what the outcome of the consultation was, once the BPA got their comments in? Yep...all trace of common sense removed in favour of fines.

beamerguy

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Guess what the outcome of the consultation was, once the BPA got their comments in? Yep...all trace of common sense removed in favour of fines.

Not the infamous BPA who tricked government into POFA2012, who also made the infamous Wright Hassall solicitors a POPLA and after sacking them dreamed up the current POPLA with tea boy types as assessors ??? :rotfl:

DoaM

POPLA was originally run by London Councils

WHOPLA came after them

beamerguy

DoaM wrote: »

POPLA was originally run by London Councils

WHOPLA came after them

And that we know as well ...... but the BPA owed LC wonga

beamerguy

An article in the DM about this

One in eight drivers admit to falling asleep at the wheel

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-6344377/One-eight-drivers-admit-falling-asleep-wheel-survey-suggests.html

Another one straight over the heads of government

How does one find a staircase into this dream cloud the government live in

Umkomaas

Umkomaas wrote: »

Do you live in Scotland? Is your vehicle registered in Scotland? Is it a hire vehicle?

This could be very easy for you.

Despite coming back to the forum a few times since I posted this, the OP seems unprepared to answer some very simple questions that would put their mind at rest.

Only so much one can do!

Snakes_Belly

There is a case relating to a similar scenario between Parking Eye and Nicholas Bowen. Unfortunately for Parking Eye Nicholas Bowen is a QC. It's a high profile case which attracted media attention and comments from the AA

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/aug/26/parking-eye-takes-on-top-barrister-85-fine

Shones_forum

Yes I live in Scotland and my vehicle is registered in Scotland.
So why does this make it very easy for me?

Coupon-mad

Because CP Plus (I assume it's them?) will probably fold as soon as they see the template appeal from the NEWBIES thread and as long as you do not start implying who was driving by writing your own appeal, they will cancel.

Even though you live in Scotland, I would submit it and just add:

'NB: you may wish to note that the appellant registered keeper stays in Scotland and the driver will not be identified'.

If CP Plus do not cancel then complain to MOTO but without saying who was driving. EVER.

And CP Plus should still give you a POPLA code if the MOTO is in England (Cumbria I think?). And you then win because they can't hold keepers liable and you will have never implied who the driver was - that's how to beat CP Plus.

Shones_forum

so what is the significance of the Manchester to Scotland? lease tell me how simple this could be?