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NCP Scamming Motorists Using Pole Mounted ANPR without Planning Permission

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  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    OK back to whats needed.

    Newbies thread
    Post 2
    Helps you start with a defence. If you never parked, clearly you never BY CONDUCT accepted a parking contract.
  • lazy
    lazy Posts: 51 Forumite
    OK back to whats needed.

    Newbies thread
    Post 2
    Helps you start with a defence. If you never parked, clearly you never BY CONDUCT accepted a parking contract.

    Ok my im all ears..
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  • So they aren't using a solicitor and therefore can't add the £50 legal fees allowance in the claim. Include a sentence about this in your defence, at the end.


    Argue your defence in a logical order:


    1. Admit/deny being the driver or RK as the case may be.


    2. If denying being the driver, the POFA point about no NtK.


    3. Even if you are liable either as driver or as RK, no contract was formed because.... [you didn't park, contract void for impossibility of performance and/or frustration because whilst they offered parking terms, there was no space for you to park in so you had to leave without parking, you may argue that the signage was inadequate and no contract was offered etc]


    4.Even if a contract was formed, they are in breach of planning regs as they didn't have permission to use APNR cameras and the doctrine of "non......" applies and the claim ought to be dismissed.


    5. Even if a contract was formed, they are only entitled to pursue recovery of £100, not the sum sought. Firstly, since they act in person they are not entitled to the £50 legal fees. Secondly, the other vague add-ins were not a term of any contract offered.
    Even if a contract was formed, they are in breach of planning regs as they didn't have permission to use APNR cameras and the doctrine of "non......" applies and the claim ought to be dismissed.


    Etc.
    Although a practising Solicitor, my posts here are NOT legal advice, but are personal opinion based on limited facts provided anonymously by forum users. I accept no liability for the accuracy of any such posts and users are advised that, if they wish to obtain formal legal advice specific to their case, they must seek instruct and pay a solicitor.
  • lazy
    lazy Posts: 51 Forumite
    So they aren't using a solicitor and therefore can't add the £50 legal fees allowance in the claim. Include a sentence about this in your defence, at the end.


    Argue your defence in a logical order:


    1. Admit/deny being the driver or RK as the case may be.


    2. If denying being the driver, the POFA point about no NtK.


    3. Even if you are liable either as driver or as RK, no contract was formed because.... [you didn't park, contract void for impossibility of performance and/or frustration because whilst they offered parking terms, there was no space for you to park in so you had to leave without parking, you may argue that the signage was inadequate and no contract was offered etc]


    4.Even if a contract was formed, they are in breach of planning regs as they didn't have permission to use APNR cameras and the doctrine of "non......" applies and the claim ought to be dismissed.


    5. Even if a contract was formed, they are only entitled to pursue recovery of £100, not the sum sought. Firstly, since they act in person they are not entitled to the £50 legal fees. Secondly, the other vague add-ins were not a term of any contract offered.
    Even if a contract was formed, they are in breach of planning regs as they didn't have permission to use APNR cameras and the doctrine of "non......" applies and the claim ought to be dismissed.


    Etc.

    Apologies, BW Legal are the solicitors. I thought i was asked if I had a solicitor. My mistake
  • oh ok, forget that then!
    Costs-wise they are entitled to £50 solicitors fees, £25 issue fee and the £25 hearing fee. So if you lose, it's the original £100 charge plus another £100. Worst case £200 (plus a bit of interest). You argue against the other add-ons.
    Although a practising Solicitor, my posts here are NOT legal advice, but are personal opinion based on limited facts provided anonymously by forum users. I accept no liability for the accuracy of any such posts and users are advised that, if they wish to obtain formal legal advice specific to their case, they must seek instruct and pay a solicitor.
  • beamerguy
    beamerguy Posts: 17,587 Forumite
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    lazy wrote: »
    Apologies, BW Legal are the solicitors. I thought i was asked if I had a solicitor. My mistake

    It's only of late that BWLegal have been acting for NCP

    The last lot who used BWLegal ... Excel and VCS kept getting a whooping in court

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5672664/bwlegal-the-list-of-failures-growing
  • lazy
    lazy Posts: 51 Forumite
    I see. Ok, think i have enough paper emails now.
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,296 Forumite
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    lazy wrote: »
    About 1 week ago we received a Claim Form...
    What is the Date of Issue on your Claim Form?
  • lazy
    lazy Posts: 51 Forumite
    KeithP wrote: »
    What is the Date of Issue on your Claim Form?

    The 17th Oct
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