Kleeneze

OnceBitten

Trees.. wrote: »

Hi, Just wanted to add my imput on this. I have had my Kleeneze business for some 10years now and earn £4,000+ per 4 weeks working it on a very part time basis around 15 hours per week. I used to be a prison officer working 40 hours a week for some £18,000 per year!
Kleeneze does work-it's like life really, if you dont work hard at anything you will not get anywhere! If you listern to negative people then you will also be negative. I work with possitive like minded people now who just want to make money. If I had listerned to my exprison officer colleges I would still be working with them!
The bottom line to this is-why work for someone else to make them rich when you can work for yourself to make yourself rich- now that makes sence to me!
Don't try and teach a pig to sing, it only anoys the pig and wastes your time!...

You earn your NET not the cheque you receive. I could have a photo taken with a cheque representing my gross income and it would look really good, my net is what matters and that is nowhere near as good.

Trees..

...Yes, you are right, it is my gross cheque per month -dont you tell people what your gross income is?... Thats the beauty of Kleeneze. I work from home, no office or rent to pay. I dont have to buy any stock, the only products that I order from Kleeneze are to fulfil orders I have already received from my customers. I have an account with Kleeneze like any other trade eg: plumber or electriction have with their supplier. My customers pay me on delivery-I dont have to wait 30+days for payment, and I then pay Kleeneze back- so I am never out of pocket! So my only costs are 'me', and the fuel for my business ie: catalogues; Plus any advertising that I choose to invest to increase my income still further. But, as I work for myself, I have all the tax benefits, which makes the net value of my £4,000 alot higher than if I was earning a gross income of £4,000 per month, working for someone else ie: a job!
But, I understand that Kleeneze is not for everybody and some people fail to make a go of it - normally because they will not comit their time to get it up and going. It is a business opportunity - and like any other business or job work comes before pay.
So, dont knock the company, or the genuine people who work hard and have worked hard to make a success of this opportunity.

Peter_Pan

Trees.. wrote: »

The bottom line to this is-why work for someone else to make them rich when you can work for yourself to make yourself rich- now that makes sence to me!
Don't try and teach a pig to sing, it only anoys the pig and wastes your time!...

Hi

Although you are self employed its still the Company that pays your commissions based on their rules when team building, unlike a plumber etc you can't just change your supplier if they change the terms and agreements and set the commission level.

Poppycat

I dont begrudge people making extra money. What I do begrudge is being harassed in your own home when you dont want these catalogs. Its bad enough you get them through your door then when you put them out they are there for days or sometimes longer as I expect people get fed up of the lies they that these companies give of untold riches.

Its about time this was outlawed or a mechanism in place that gets them to stop posting this.

Interesting thread this

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=21432

"I was told that many local authorities are reveiwing their policies on door to door salepeople with the intention of implementing restrictions. This piece of information was an additional reason for me to fold my Kleeneze business! So, you never know Dot, the time may well be coming when you won't receive any more catalogues!"

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=346948&postcount=69

Lets hope something is done. I am sick of being pestered by spam, by Kleenezer, Betteware and silent calls. My home should be, where I can relax in piece and harmony.


Kleeneze-The truth they don't tell you (Kleeneze)


http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/offline-shopping-misc/kleeneze/1020353/

OnceBitten

NO Trees, I don't tell people what my gross income is IT WOULD BE MEANINGLESS. I tell them what my receipts are LESS my outgoings and THAT equals my net income before tax. So what is YOUR NET income? It's a long way short of £4,000 because you are spending lots of money advertising to replace the distributors you lose (95%?). I am not knocking genuinely hard working self-employed people, I am one myself. Don't you tell the taxman that you use petrol, have wear and tear on your vehicle, use a computer and printer, use the phone for those 'prospect' conversations lasting an hour, use paper (all those "I'll be back on Thursday" slips) use electricity and gas use pens, other stationery, pay Kleeneze to use their computerised system, etc etc etc. Of course you do and your gross has a massive hole in it.

Peter_Pan

OnceBitten wrote: »

Don't you tell the taxman that you use petrol, have wear and tear on your vehicle, use a computer and printer, use the phone for those 'prospect' conversations lasting an hour, use paper (all those "I'll be back on Thursday" slips) use electricity and gas use pens, other stationery, pay Kleeneze to use their computerised system, etc etc etc. Of course you do and your gross has a massive hole in it.

When i did Kleeneze my gross income had such a massive hole that EVERYTHING fell out , had so many people join and so many leave, just kept investing our profits to keep growing the Business, one step forward and two back all the time and our tax return told the truth - we hadn't earned anything, in fact a few years showed a loss.

What will the Kleeneze people on here say - we should have upped the retail to pay for it, working around existing commitments and family we were putting in every spare hour, in from work, straight out with brochures, deliveries, then back home for prospect calls and team enquiries and more lead generating, bed about 2am, then up again and so on and so on AND our house was like a Kleeneze warehouse, boxes everywhere, deliveries who weren't in, orders arriving weekly sometimes twice a week. I can have my hand on my heart and say we couldn't have done more.

aceades

Hi,

Thought i comment on this as i have tried it, couple of years ago i was struggling with cash as usual thought i'd take a gamble as i knew it would cost but i saw alot around about it and thought there must be some success in it.

Starts with the rep very helpfull enthusiastic and quick to show you the great income and rewards available, she eventually after a good think managed to get me to pay out £160 from my deplemished bank account - i work full time and need to just to pay my bills so it was evenings and weekends (and any days off). I consistanly got small orders and varied my area over two large towns with not much competition (1 other distributer i heard about) this was terribly hard work the books weigh a ton and the weather in the uk is great so the is kind of like a kids paper round (in the like that you have to use some kind of trolly to hold the mags and walk around in the wind and rain after a days occupation) but with adult size books, an initial outlay, and no fixed wage.

It became disheartening but i kept it going as i didn't want to give up, though i did seem to get less orders and more and more rude people getting fed up with it, books went missing and orders where not paid for or were rejected leaving the costs with me that more than once wiped out my entire weeks profit and at the same time i got nagged and nagged by my rep constantly every day with her motivational emails and always trying to get me to pay to go to kleeneze conventions in the final few hours of my free time, this i think pushed me away as i didnt like it but i am not a rude person so didn't want to tell her to stop being so 'helpful'.

I eventually quit when i realized i had giveen up most of my free time , knackered and stressed my self out for the last few months and guess what from my books (yes i did have lots of money IN's but unfortuantely the outs far out weighed them ) i was over £300 down - i did try hard but it just doesnt work the only way they make money is recruiting people and getting them to pay the sign up costs then quit, the trouble with that is that you cant do that effectively whilst you have another job, you need to be around to take calls and have to to spend talking people into becoming reps and they dont want to do this at night or on sundays, it gives a bad impression of how the work will be conducted (working unsociable hours).

It is hard work and i would recommend if you do it concentrate on recruiting people to pay you the sign up fee (like these reps are on here , i have a 27k car, i get 4k a month try it please - roughly translates to give me your sign up fee so i can survive becuse kleeneze wont help me , they will still be charging me for using there website, using there phone lines etc) it works for some but you have to be on top.

Its a waste of time if your going to try trudging around with books, but good if your a smooth talker who can blag others into doing something for you to make money off, i think you have to be quite a nasty uncaring person to do this, i left a proper sales job because i didnl't like exploiting people but this is to there extreme physical expense not just a bit of cash.

And after all that i had a huge amount of boxs and books , videos and advetising crap i had to get rid of,

I would say that a paper-round is a better way to make money that this if your idea of a part time job is to deilver door to door - at least you not asked to out lay then and have a a guarenteed income.

It just shows how hard it is that people have to lie and try to promote the business so well as soon as its mentioned anywhere, they say that now but when they quite they will say how crap it is just like all of us that have fell fool to it before - someones making money but it not you !

Poppycat

Kleeneze is it a scam? The untold story.

Kleeneze meanie's hate letter

Noname29

and how does that make Kleeneze a scam ?

NewbieMoneySaver**

I really cant believe that I was thinking of joining Kleeneze and now i'm just shocked at what I have been reading.

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