Civil partnerships: Law to be changed for mixed-sex couples

Mojisola

TonyMMM wrote: »

Yes you do .... there are two legally required vows. One is declaratory (confirming your name and that you are free to marry) and one is contractual (confirming, in front of witnesses, that you take the other person as your husband/wife).

I think most people would think of vows as promises you make to each other as part of the ceremony.

Those two statements are called "the Declatory and the Contracting Words", not vows.

I think it would have been simpler to give people the option of declaring each other to be 'partners' rather than 'husband/wife' but there is a groundswell for heteros to have a different ceremony.

Some countries on mainland Europe go further and have provision for any two adults to declare a legal partnership which allows them to inherit from each other, etc.

Rubik

Mojisola wrote: »

Some countries on mainland Europe go further and have provision for any two adults to declare a legal partnership which allows them to inherit from each other, etc.

Or people could do what these two long term friends did in Ireland - enter into a CP to avoid paying IHT when one inherits the other's substantial estate.....http://https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/friends-marriage-to-avoid-inheritance-tax-lawful-says-mcdowell-1.3330553

Mrs_Ryan

Myself and OH are going to have one.
We got engaged this afternoon.
I’ve waited 12 years and he always said he refused to marry me as his parents marriage breakup scarred him. Our situation is a little bit different though- long story. We mainly are looking at it on the legal side of things- he is estranged from his family and as he has disabilities doesn’t want his family involved if anything happened to him. When I was having my cancer treatment I had to get special permission for him to visit as he was classed as a ‘friend’ (although we had been together for 7 years) and wouldn’t normally be allowed in. Luckily my mum and dad stayed with me that time but they’re 200 miles away and both in poor health so if anything happened to me again (not inconceivable given my disabilities) they couldn’t be there again to support me. There are a lot of other very personal reasons why a marriage isn’t a great idea but as soon as the law goes through we’re going to do it.

Rubik

Congratulations on your engagement, Mrs Ryan.:T

Tigsteroonie

Congratulations Mrs Ryan

silvercar

Mrs_Ryan wrote: »

Myself and OH are going to have one.
We got engaged this afternoon.
I’ve waited 12 years and he always said he refused to marry me as his parents marriage breakup scarred him. Our situation is a little bit different though- long story. We mainly are looking at it on the legal side of things- he is estranged from his family and as he has disabilities doesn’t want his family involved if anything happened to him. When I was having my cancer treatment I had to get special permission for him to visit as he was classed as a ‘friend’ (although we had been together for 7 years) and wouldn’t normally be allowed in. Luckily my mum and dad stayed with me that time but they’re 200 miles away and both in poor health so if anything happened to me again (not inconceivable given my disabilities) they couldn’t be there again to support me. There are a lot of other very personal reasons why a marriage isn’t a great idea but as soon as the law goes through we’re going to do it.

Congratulations!

Until you posted that I couldn't understand how anyone could want to be with someone enough to enter a civil partnership but not enough to marry them.

The scars of the previous generation may be the answer, but that does risk someone in the next generation saying they won't enter a civil partnership because they remember their parents civil partnership break up scarring them.

System

Personally i dont really see the point in them (unless you got serious issue about marriage for whatever personal reasons). They wee only ever intended as a stop gap before gay marriage was eventually legalised. So now marriage is legal for all i think its a bit pointless. Personally i dont want a wedding, im not bothered about speeches, sit down meal and all the faff. But i can quite easily get around that with a registry office marriage. I feel like for me, a civil partnership would be a step below marriage and not equal to it. Fair enough if thats what you want. I should be scared of marriage as by age 11 i;d been though the divorce of my parents and my bio dad and step mum, so i could say that puts me off. But then y mum and step dad have been happily married for 25 years so on the other hand o have a good example of what marriage can be,

Mrs_Ryan

Thanks for the kind wishes much appreciated

Fireflyaway

I personally don't understand the need for civil partnership but if a straight couple wants one for whatever reason it should be allowed otherwise it clearly is discrimination.

lika_86

Fireflyaway wrote: »

I personally don't understand the need for civil partnership but if a straight couple wants one for whatever reason it should be allowed otherwise it clearly is discrimination.

Not just straight couples, but also couples in a mixed sex relationship who aren't straight.