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  • Redx
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    edited 18 May 2020 at 9:09PM
    well done

    I hope more of these false and irregular documents go up on high and rattle some cages , especially if they went to Attorney General or similar, it would only need one of these to end in hefty fines or the perpetrators broought to book to deter some of the unbelievable contracts and misinformation we have seen on here already, including the one attended by coupon mad etc (or was it a OPS case ? the one where the judge gave them until early june to reply ?)

    its just not good enough to say "I have no instructions on that your honour !!"
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 18 May 2020 at 9:33PM
    Missaver said:

    Just to remind everyone, the above is the contract that they say was signed in 2011.

    Regulars have already spotted & earlier commented on the glaring 'error' that proves this is a false instrument, and the OP knows as well. 

    Any NEWBIES - take a look - what do you see that cannot be true in 2011 when it was purportedly signed?!

    No wonder that is being referred for contempt of court.
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  • Missaver
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    edited 18 May 2020 at 9:59PM
    Johnersh said:
    Missaver said:
    Good news all - I had my hearing today via Skype video, and at the end, it was dismissed, so I won!! :)
    Thank you to all that have helped and advised greatly which led to my win, it is such a relief this ticket is all over now.  
    The main points the Judge dismissed were due to the dodgy contract (he will now refer it to the Attorney General) and also that there were no signs on the road disallowing parking which the claimant say there are. 
    I was awarded half my costs requested, but am happy with that.

    I have another 2 tickets re no permit bay parking, not reached LBC yet, am thinking of writing to PCM to ask them to cancel those in light of today's win, but will definitely fight those if i need to in future.

    Thanks again all for all your helpful input, as someone else said, you are heros!
    We may have to wait and see (hopefully it will be actioned and is not a mere threat) but that is a referral to investigate a possible contempt of court. 
    Yes, I hope so.  The Judge did query this and bought it up a couple of times during the hearing and I believe he was truly  concerned about it's validity. (And yes, video hearings are good to judge other's faces/body language)  Coupled with the points noted here that it was not signed in accordance with Section 44 of the Companies Act 2006, the 2011 date, the signatory not showing up on Companies House, etc.

    And also a special thanks to Fruitcake amongst others!
  • Redx
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    edited 18 May 2020 at 11:16PM
    lol , I can see the glaring error in that PCM UK LTD contract, unless a DeLorean vehicle was also used :)

    2 + 2 = 7 , both statements cannot be true, so Ben is a liar or the document has been falsified
  • Missaver
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    That reminds me, the Judge mentioned at least twice 'unless the Claimant has some kind of clairvoyancy', words to that effect re the 2011 date, lol
  • Missaver
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    Umkomaas said:
    WS signed by an 'Annie Oliver'. 

    There's an 'Andrew Oliver' and 'Lauren Oliver' employed by the company. Looks like a family affair ....... until you look at the main (and seemingly only) man. 


    What's that all about F-F-S?

    And note that the company was only incorporated in 2015, 4 years after this contract was supposedly signed. Looks like deep sh't awaits. @Missaver, milk this for all its worth. Plenty of help on the forum to put the boot in!


    Hmm, you are good detectives.  However, I think we are talking about https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04395994, as the registered address for them is Slough, which appears on the letters I've had from them.  Annie Oliver signed 1 letter as the Legal and Compliance Manager, so she's an employee of the company, as stated on their WS.
  • Johnersh
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    Yes be careful with company searches. You need the exact name.

    Obviously since the IPC didn't exist or the AOC that's clearly problem enough for them.  
  • twhitehousescat
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    Missaver said:
    Umkomaas said:
    WS signed by an 'Annie Oliver'. 

    There's an 'Andrew Oliver' and 'Lauren Oliver' employed by the company. Looks like a family affair ....... until you look at the main (and seemingly only) man. 


    What's that all about F-F-S?

    And note that the company was only incorporated in 2015, 4 years after this contract was supposedly signed. Looks like deep sh't awaits. @Missaver, milk this for all its worth. Plenty of help on the forum to put the boot in!


    Hmm, you are good detectives.  However, I think we are talking about https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04395994, as the registered address for them is Slough, which appears on the letters I've had from them.  Annie Oliver signed 1 letter as the Legal and Compliance Manager, so she's an employee of the company, as stated on their WS.
    ahh , you mean this one , the one that joined the IPC in 2014 


  • Coupon-mad
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    Annie Oliver's name has cropped up before. 

    Can you show us her WS again, and what was your claim number please, and which court and Judge?
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