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  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    As above , there was no IPC in 2011 , it's a false document
  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,592 Forumite
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    If they are submitting fake documents as evidence acquaint yourself with CPR27.14(2)(g) costs for unreasonable behaviour and/or consider  a counter claim.   If they present this under a statement of truth they may be in deep doo doo.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    Indeed, did the WS come with the NEW, mandatory statement of truth? You know, we dont 

  • Umkomaas
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    edited 24 April 2020 at 3:18PM
    Did the IPC exist in 2011?!
    Is that the MA that manages the site? 
    Its not a valid contract. Only signed by one party. 
    Jumped right off the page at me. Their 'deceitful practices' have progressed from appeals to court cases!  Absolutely shameless. 

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2015/05/is-it-pcm-uk-who-make-up-stuff-all-time.html

    and it's Gladstones, totally entangled and an integral part of the IPC who have allowed this deceit to transfer into legal documents. If anyone should know this contract was false, Gladstones should have. Complaint to the SRA essential. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • nosferatu1001
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    Yep, it screamed THIS IS FRAUDULENT at me when i saw the two together

    There is no chance thats a legit contract. None. You MUST supply proof to the court of when the IPC was incorporated. MUST. 
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 24 April 2020 at 3:46PM
    Jumped off the page at me as well.   The IPC was not even a twinkle in Will Hurley's eye in 2011. 
    That landowner authority is a false instrument. 

    You MUST add something about that into your WS and then make sure you email the new version to the court and claimant's solicitors.  Is the WS signed by someone from PCM with a statement of truth?  That is serious.

    You don't need these, at all:
    Supreme Court case CCRTF 98/1290/B2 Vine v Waltham Forest London Borough Council (2000), Vehicle Services Ltd vs Ibbotson (2012)  


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  • Missaver
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    Thank you all for your comments, I will amend my WS and submit to Gladstones (again) and the Court.  It's lucky I have theirs before the deadline which I didn't expect to.  Hopefully, all this will get the claim struck out before any hearing.  I'll figure out how to upload the WS tonight.

    "  Is the WS signed by someone from PCM with a statement of truth?  "
    The WS sent from Gladstones is signed by an employee of the Claimant Company, PCM, Statement of Truth at the end with the words :
     The Claimant believes that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that
    proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be
    made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief
    in its truth.
  • Umkomaas
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    Is the WS signed by someone from PCM with a statement of truth?  "
    The WS sent from Gladstones is signed by an employee of the Claimant Company, PCM, Statement of Truth at the end with the words :
     The Claimant believes that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that
    proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be
    made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief
    in its truth.
    Spot of bother there for them!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Missaver
    Missaver Posts: 184 Forumite
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    edited 24 April 2020 at 9:11PM
    Finally managed to upload their WS :  http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=60453658152279524069
    One point they state is the driver was never named.  It is actually stated in my WS to GS last week!


  • Missaver
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    I'm going to put together a big list of rebuttal points this weekend to email and revise the WS, (I wasn't sure previously if it was ok to send a revised WS to the Court after I've already sent to GS). I intend to print everything to send to the Court by post as well as it's over the print limit for the Court.  So my plan is : 

    1.  Revise the WS to include the errors re the alleged Contract between PCM and the landowner, etc  
    2. Email to GS and the Court the WS, Defence, Summary of Costs Assessment, Draft Order in Word format and list of exhibits, but advising that these will all be posted
    3. Print everything and post to the Court

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