My Dad 60 is moving back to England. Need some advice please.

bflare

OhWow wrote: »

The OPs father is a British citizen and when he proves he has returend to reside in the UK, then he meets the "ordinarily resident" requirement for bill free use of the NHS. No wait required.

So, basically once he arrives back in the UK he can make an appointment with a doctor & then have a referral to a Rheumatologist without waiting & having to prove habitual residency which could take 3 months?


Also, he did not inform his doctors that he had moved abroad so he is still registered although the doctors is 6 miles away from my house where he will be staying.

OhWow

bflare wrote: »

So, basically once he arrives back in the UK he can make an appointment with a doctor & then have a referral to a Rheumatologist without waiting & having to prove habitual residency which could take 3 months?

He needs to prove two things first, that he is a British citizen and prove that he now resides in the UK again.



He needs to show the GP that proof and might have to show that proof to the hospital too. Hospitals can bill and add 50% to the bill (which that Trust can keep) if the patient doesn't have insurance to pay and are not allowed to use the NHS bill free. They could even refuse to treat him until payment is made. Everything changed for protecting the NHS, under the Immigration Act 2014.

Once he has his proof, then there is no wait for bill free use of the NHS as he meets the terms of "ordinarily resident" for bill free use of the NHS: British citizen and resides in the UK. So yes, he will not get billed for an appointment with a Rheumatologist if he now resides in the UK again and can prove that.


The 3 month wait (and sometimes longer) refers to UK benefits. For the NHS, either they are allowed to use the NHS bill free or they are not. It will be a type of habitual residency for him to prove, to ensure that he is not billed.

bflare

OhWow wrote: »

He needs to prove two things first, that he is a British citizen and prove that he now resides in the UK again.



He needs to show the GP that proof and might have to show that proof to the hospital too. Hospitals can bill and add 50% to the bill (which that Trust can keep) if the patient doesn't have insurance to pay and are not allowed to use the NHS bill free. They could even refuse to treat him until payment is made. Everything changed for protecting the NHS, under the Immigration Act 2014.

Once he has his proof, then there is no wait for bill free use of the NHS as he meets the terms of "ordinarily resident" for bill free use of the NHS: British citizen and resides in the UK. So yes, he will not get billed for an appointment with a Rheumatologist if he now resides in the UK again and can prove that.


The 3 month wait (and sometimes longer) refers to UK benefits. For the NHS, either they are allowed to use the NHS bill free or they are not. It will be a type of habitual residency for him to prove, to ensure that he is not billed.

I have found this questionnaire


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/736849/Ordinary_residence_tool.pdf


that can be used to asses 'ordinary residence'. I am hoping this doesn't prove too difficult. His mobile phone bill is in my address & I am certain he has a UK bank account still & other letters have been sent to my address for him. But I am not sure how else he would prove ordinary residence apart from saying that he will be living with me.

xylophone

Leeds City council & was part of the early severance scheme which paid him some money

Is there no ongoing LGPS pension? Or deferred pension?

Have you (or he) checked very carefully concerning any pensions he may have?

There have been a number of threads concerning forgotten pensions.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2016/05/pension-tracing-service-to-shed-light-on-long-lost-savings---check-online-if-youve-mislaid-thousands-/?_ga=2.155356856.2009424936.1527190670-913052463.1518217370

OhWow

bflare wrote: »

Also, he did not inform his doctors that he had moved abroad so he is still registered although the doctors is 6 miles away from my house where he will be staying.

Government departments now share information to combat abuse and the UK has brought back Exit checks to aid in stopping abuse, so the Home Office will know his travel history.


But he doesn't need to try to lie, if he really is returning to the UK to live and can prove that.

OhWow

bflare wrote: »

I have found this questionnaire


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/736849/Ordinary_residence_tool.pdf


that can be used to asses 'ordinary residence'. I am hoping this doesn't prove too difficult. His mobile phone bill is in my address & I am certain he has a UK bank account still & other letters have been sent to my address for him. But I am not sure how else he would prove ordinary residence apart from saying that he will be living with me.

Tenancy contract in the UK, register again with HMRC to pay his taxes(?) proof his tenancy has come to end in Italy etc

D_M_E

Nobody has asked if he was born in the UK and thus has a UK passport which could support the ordinarily resident test.

Also, did he ever return at any point during his sojourn in Italy, for family visits and the like?

Also, with regards to his pensions, has he been paying UK tax on them and, if so, presumably he must have passed the HMRC "ordinarily resident" test if he did not tell them about living in Italy.

w06

none of those things give entitlement to NHS care DME, he has to actually live in the UK.

skye_

bflare wrote: »

So, basically once he arrives back in the UK he can make an appointment with a doctor & then have a referral to a Rheumatologist without waiting & having to prove habitual residency which could take 3 months?


Also, he did not inform his doctors that he had moved abroad so he is still registered although the doctors is 6 miles away from my house where he will be staying.

Hi, I have EDS and if you think getting a diagnosis for EDS is just going to a rheumatologist you're wrong. It's a long process to get a diagnosis.

I had to go to special pyhsio, rheumatologist, genetic counselor, then a geneticist, it takes time.

I'm surprised if he's 60 years old and not diagnosed? He must have a very mild form...

bflare

skye_ wrote: »

Hi, I have EDS and if you think getting a diagnosis for EDS is just going to a rheumatologist you're wrong. It's a long process to get a diagnosis.

I had to go to special pyhsio, rheumatologist, genetic counselor, then a geneticist, it takes time.

I'm surprised if he's 60 years old and not diagnosed? He must have a very mild form...

I know exactly how it works as I have EDS myself & so does my son. We have both been diagnosed & my diagnosis was from Professor Bird a rheumatologist & a was a leading specialist in EDS.



He might be 60 but he has never presented his symptoms to a doctor therefore couldn't possibly get a diagnosis.