My Dad 60 is moving back to England. Need some advice please.

bflare

OhWow wrote: »

Did he do any work in Italy? Employed or self employed?


Under the EU's Regulation 5(3) if he resided for two years before he became too ill to work with permanent incapacity, you might find that Italy must treat him as an Italian national and provide benefits and healthcare, just as their citizens can have.






How has he been paying for his healthcare in Italy? Under the EU's S1 agreement (where their own EEA country might pay the healthcare of retirees) the UK will not have given him an S1 as the requiirment for that is to be in receipt of a UK state pension.Has he been treated as an Italian citizen for healthcare becasue he was a worker?

As far as I am aware because he had quite a lot of savings when he went he basically lived of his savings before he became unable to work. He has a friend over there & he was caring for her mother until she passed away. He was able to stay in the house because it was his friends house & she was receiving some kind of housing benefits for the property.

kazwookie

Before he left the UK, did he change his doctors to one in Italy?

It is possible he 'may' still be registered with the one he had before he left the UK, he could call them and ask, if he is, then he could ask to be transfered to your local doctors.

OhWow

D_M_E wrote: »

When all the hoops and hurdles were overcome, health care would then be provided by the Italian authorities, who would then, I believe, bill the NHS for the care given.

EDIT - for anyone else reading this, there was a big row about 5 years ago because the UK government made a mistake with the forms and a lot of people got called back to the local Italian health offices and had to re-register.

That is the EU's S1 system. But about 3 years ago, the UK stopped issuing/renewing retirees with an S1 (so that the EEA country could claim their medical costs from the UK) unless they were in receipt of a UK state pension.



https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/moving-abroad/planning-your-healthcare/

This change meant that many retirees then had to buy their own health insurance and pay their own medical bills as the UK would no longer pay; or buy a "CSI (Comprehensive Sickness Insurance)" as the EU call it in their 2004 Directive on the Free Movement of Persons.


Some should have had their healthcare paid for by that EEA country where they live anyway; as they used to be workers there and they met the requirements for that EEA country to pay for them. With the end of their S1, that EEA country now has to pay for these if they meet the EU requirements.


I don't know how long an S1 is issued for before it has to be renewed, but the OPs father is too young to be in receipt of a UK state pension for a renewal on his S1.
Is this why he is retunrng to the UK, because he can't afford private medical care or doesn't want to pay for it?

xylophone

Did your father ever have a private or occupational pension?



Has he checked on his state pension position?

https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

bflare

kazwookie wrote: »

Before he left the UK, did he change his doctors to one in Italy?

It is possible he 'may' still be registered with the one he had before he left the UK, he could call them and ask, if he is, then he could ask to be transfered to your local doctors.

He tells me that he is still registered at his doctors in England as he did not inform them & they keep sending him text messages.

w06

Ames wrote: »

He'll also have to pass the HRT to qualify for NHS care.

This isn't quite right. For NHS hospital care he needs to be 'ordinarily resident' see info here https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/how-to-access-nhs-services-in-england/ for gp care it's even more wooly but if he's ordinarily resident - which he will be if he's returned to live in the UK, but not if just visiting - then he'll be entitled.

brewthebear

kazwookie That advice will not work !!

bflare

xylophone wrote: »

Did your father ever have a private or occupational pension?



Has he checked on his state pension position?

https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

He had various pensions I think because he cashed them early. He did work for Leeds City council & was part of the early severance scheme which paid him some money & enabled him to stay in Italy longer.

bflare

OhWow wrote: »

Is this why he is retunrng to the UK, because he can't afford private medical care or doesn't want to pay for it?

He is returning to the UK because he is unable to work due to his hips & lack of mobility. He was living off of his savings & they are running out. He has had an operation over there on his prostate which I am not sure if he paid privately for. Basically if he does not return back he will become homeless over there.

OhWow

w06 wrote: »

This isn't quite right. For NHS hospital care he needs to be 'ordinarily resident' see info here https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/how-to-access-nhs-services-in-england/ for gp care it's even more wooly but if he's ordinarily resident - which he will be if he's returned to live in the UK, but not if just visiting - then he'll be entitled.

Agree. I was going to reply to that post, but he does have prove he is a British citizen and prove that he has returned to the UK to live, then he can use the NHS bill free. So it is a type of HRT, but no 3 month wait.

Under the Immigration Act 2014, the definition of "ordinarily resident" for bill free use of the NHS, was changed from 6 April 2015. That new law changed "ordinarily resident"
from 'anyone lawfully living in the UK can have bill free NHS'
to 'British citizens and those with a valid Indefinite Leave to Remain visa, AND who reside in the UK, can have bill free NHS'

Everyone else who can presently use the NHS bill free, are now only under some sort of agreement, which the UK can end without the need for a lengthy (years) law change. Ot they pay the NHS at point of use if the service is not free, or they pay the Immigration Health Surcharge with their UK "visa" applications.

The OPs father is a British citizen and when he proves he has returend to reside in the UK, then he meets the "ordinarily resident" requirement for bill free use of the NHS. No wait required.