Weight loss/healthy eating help

Anoneemoose

BananaRepublic wrote: »

I disagreed with your statement that there is no known method of permanent weight loss. There is, it's known as eating according to need rather than want. That does not contradict the fact that many/most dieters fail to keep the weight loss.

I eat according to appetite/need and I haven’t lost weight, although my weight has stabilised for the first time in 2 decades because of it. I am a member of many groups that advocate eating to appetite or intuitive eating (which is what i recommended on the first page) and the vast majority of members of those groups, who also now eat to appetite have not lost weight either. Therefore it is not a guaranteed method. Particularly if they were overweight in the first place. Some of them lose weight a couple of years down the line, but not all. I also mentioned in my comments a few times that some people (a small minority will keep the weight off - therefore leaving out ‘for the majority’ in another comment should have been pretty explanatory.

BananaRepublic wrote: »

I choose to believe the current accepted medical opinions rather than selecting one or two studies.

The current medical opinion is to use BMI as in indicator of health, which you have already said is flawed. So it would seem you are also choosing to only believe certain things. The NHS still recommends a low fat diet, when it’s now known that some fats are good for you and necessary. But if you follow a low fat diet, you’ll lose the benefits of these.

BananaRepublic wrote: »

Yes it does. It completely changes the meaning of the statement, and it was the original statement that I said was nonsense. You can't retrospectively change what you said. You could say "Sorry, I made a mistake, I meant to write ..". If you don't understand this, compare "Some white people are dishonest" and "White people are dishonest". Notice the difference?

See above.

I have no doubt that eating a healthy, well balanced diet is beneficial for all. Once again, I have mentioned that a few times on this thread. Like I said, those 4 behaviours (eating plenty of fruit and veg, exercise, moderate alcohol and not smoking) will benefit you, whether you lose weight or not. Not sure why that’s such a big thing to understand. I’m advocating healthy behaviours.

People confuse things like SW with a ‘healthy diet’..yes there are some aspects that are healthy like eating lots of fruit and veg. However this is ‘allowed’ without doing SW. And as I said earlier, for those who may not be educated about nutrition properly, they will likely choose mullerlights or mug shots (apologies for the overused examples) because SW tell them they’re ‘free’ or much less ‘syns’ than nuts, or whole milk yogurt with just milk as an ingredient. It’s bonkers.

Edited to say...and to clarify, when I say appetite, I mean actual, physical hunger. Not just cravings. Although the majority of ‘normal’ weight people (like my parents), will eat to cravings occasionally. After all, food is a pleasure too.

Anoneemoose

Oh, and I agree that some people eat emotionally. Absolutely they do. But the answer to that is not to diet, but to try and resolve the emotional issues so that it doesn’t become a coping mechanism for everything.

And again, I know I’m only one example on here, but there are many the same as me that I know of...when I was dieting to intentionally lose weight, I used to eat emotionally a lot. Since giving up dieting and embracing intuitive eating, I can honestly say I have never eaten emotionally.

I have been through a lot because of dieting and the associated pressure to be ‘slim’. I have resolved that by accepting my higher weight body, which is hard in today’s society. I eat a mainly whole food, from scratch, diet. I eat plenty of fruit and veg, although limited as to what I can have due to IBS, caused by SW. I can’t exercise at all due to illness, I don’t drink at all (apart from a snowball at Christmas :rotfl:) and I don’t smoke. I meditate to help the illness. So, I am doing everything I can to protect my health (both physical AND mental). Which is why I when people say they’re ‘sorry I’m at my highest weight’, I find it laughable and extremely small minded, which is exactly what I’m being accused of!

Sky_

I'm another one who has lost weight effortlessley with Slimming World. Like everything in life, you have to use your common sense and pick out the bits that work best for you--I don't eat artificial sweeteners, eat minimal amounts of sugar and eat only sensible amounts of carbs. Slimming world hasn't changed this but I've tweaked my diet to include more fruit/veg/salad (I already ate 7-8 portions a day, but tended to supplement this with too many crisps and similar), fewer fatty foods and more high-protein foods.



I find the encouragement and support at SW to be invaluable and it helps motivate me when I'm tempted to eat that extra piece of cheese, bread or savoury pastry. I'm sure most 'slimming clubs' offer just as much support, but I like SW because it's uncomplicated, healthy (for me) and is helping me to unlearn previous bad (overeating) habits.

gettingtheresometime

Anoneemoose wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl:

Bless you.

Please don’t be sorry I’m at my highest weight ever. I’m not. And for the record, every single word you posted in that last post is incorrect. Whether you believe it or not.

Also, as SW consultant back in the 90’s who too was blinkered by the whole thing and wouldn’t hear a word against it, I can assure you I was following the plan to the letter. As for refusing to accept alternatives...hmmm, that’ll be why I spent 20 years dieting then before I came to this opinion. Not the other way around.

We have been told for decades and decades to diet to lose weight, yet people are getting bigger. As are the profits of the multi billion pound diet industry. And now there is more and more research to show that losing weight is not the be all and end all in regard to health, and is pretty much impossible IN THE MAJORITY, LONG TERM. I realise that when people are presented with conflicting information to what they’ve previously been told there can be an element of cognitive dissonance or complete refusal to believe anything different. And before you pip up again, I DID previously believe the same as you.

I’m also still waiting for proof of the efficacy of diets in the long term. I’ll not hold my breath.

I can see this will go around in circles. You continue with your own beliefs. I’ll continue with mine.

I think that for most people whilst they're 'on' a diet they are focused to follow it religiously & ensuring that they eat the food in the portion size that they're supposed to eat.

When they reach their target weight I think they generally forget take into account portion sizes. Hence people intake more calories than they need & hence they put on weight.

SW, at least for me, has trained my mind in portion sizes as I've often said, I eat the same food as I did before but just in different quantities

maman

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Which is why I when people say they’re ‘sorry I’m at my highest weight’, I find it laughable and extremely small minded, which is exactly what I’m being accused of!

Yes, you did laugh when I posted that so I assume you're directing the post at me.


You can think I'm being small minded if you choose but my comment was made in good faith.


It's obvious to me and I imagine to others that you aren't happy with your current situation. You seem totally focused on one view and won't listen to any alternative. There's a great deal of bitterness in your posts which I can only deduce comes from failing to lose weight so putting your energy into blaming Slimming World.


I tried to be sympathetic but got a rude response. That's your choice. I'm at a weight I feel comfortable with and it makes me happy. It's also your choice to stay at your highest weight ever. It's not making you happy though.

BananaRepublic

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I eat according to appetite/need and I haven’t lost weight, although my weight has stabilised for the first time in 2 decades because of it. I am a member of many groups that advocate eating to appetite or intuitive eating (which is what i recommended on the first page) and the vast majority of members of those groups, who also now eat to appetite have not lost weight either. Therefore it is not a guaranteed method. Particularly if they were overweight in the first place. Some of them lose weight a couple of years down the line, but not all. I also mentioned in my comments a few times that some people (a small minority will keep the weight off - therefore leaving out ‘for the majority’ in another comment should have been pretty explanatory.



The current medical opinion is to use BMI as in indicator of health, which you have already said is flawed. So it would seem you are also choosing to only believe certain things. The NHS still recommends a low fat diet, when it’s now known that some fats are good for you and necessary. But if you follow a low fat diet, you’ll lose the benefits of these.

See above.

I have no doubt that eating a healthy, well balanced diet is beneficial for all. Once again, I have mentioned that a few times on this thread. Like I said, those 4 behaviours (eating plenty of fruit and veg, exercise, moderate alcohol and not smoking) will benefit you, whether you lose weight or not. Not sure why that’s such a big thing to understand. I’m advocating healthy behaviours.

People confuse things like SW with a ‘healthy diet’..yes there are some aspects that are healthy like eating lots of fruit and veg. However this is ‘allowed’ without doing SW. And as I said earlier, for those who may not be educated about nutrition properly, they will likely choose mullerlights or mug shots (apologies for the overused examples) because SW tell them they’re ‘free’ or much less ‘syns’ than nuts, or whole milk yogurt with just milk as an ingredient. It’s bonkers.

Edited to say...and to clarify, when I say appetite, I mean actual, physical hunger. Not just cravings. Although the majority of ‘normal’ weight people (like my parents), will eat to cravings occasionally. After all, food is a pleasure too.

I simply commented on what you said rather than what you later claim you said. You can’t subsequently claim you said something else. As regards BMI, the basic idea is good, but it is imprecise. I have thin arms and legs, so I suspect it thinks my weight is better than it really is for my height. People with a stockier build and the same BMI will have less body fat than me.

However I should have been clearer, as when losing weight you have to feel hungry and eat less than you want. Once you achieve your target weight you can eat more generously. At least that is my opinion based on my experience, for what it is worth.

Anoneemoose

maman wrote: »

Yes, you did laugh when I posted that so I assume you're directing the post at me.


You can think I'm being small minded if you choose but my comment was made in good faith.


It's obvious to me and I imagine to others that you aren't happy with your current situation. You seem totally focused on one view and won't listen to any alternative. There's a great deal of bitterness in your posts which I can only deduce comes from failing to lose weight so putting your energy into blaming Slimming World.


I tried to be sympathetic but got a rude response. That's your choice. I'm at a weight I feel comfortable with and it makes me happy. It's also your choice to stay at your highest weight ever. It's not making you happy though.

I’m not sure why you think I’m not happy? That says more about your assumptions and blinkered ideas than it does about me. Your assumption that everyone desires weight loss shows that it’s YOU who is focused on one view and that you won’t listen to any alternative.


I’m also a bit vague on where you tried to be sympathetic...that hasn’t come across in any of your posts.

To reiterate, I am more happy and content now than I have ever been in my whole life, even with my chronic illnesses. I eat a better diet than I have ever done previously (with the possible exception of when I lived at home before embarking on the diet train). The only things that get me down these days are my symptoms.

As for your comment about ‘putting energy into blaming SW’..I only put energy into it because I know how damaging it can be. And if I can stop someone going down the ultimately futile road of dieting (for the vast majority) by sharing my story, I will. Oh and it’s all diets that are the problem, not just SW. I get that you don’t agree with that, but there’s not much point going back and forth. The truth will out eventually..it already is. There are plenty of people who agree with me (and not all of them are overweight). Just this morning I was chatting with a GP who said they were not focusing on weight in their surgery any more and they have stopped referrals to diet clubs. I appreciate it’s just a drop in the ocean but I think the tide is starting to shift.

maman

I'm happy to listen but can't believe that anyone ( unless they've been seriously underweight before) is happy to state that they're the heaviest weight ever.

You're right to focus on your various health issues so I can see that losing weight isn't your current priority.

The restrictions of being unwell is probably boring for you which is maybe why you feel the need to come on to a weightloss thread and criticise posters who are successful in losing weight.

gettingtheresometime

Well having lost 4.5st with SW I'm feeling pretty happy, and whilst I won't win any Miss Bikini contests, feel pretty sexy.

I wouldn't say I'm any happier than when I was larger...just pretty miffed that people judge me less now that I'm the size I am than when I was larger. As I said in my SW class quite recently (and it was universal agreed) fatism is the last ism that it's socially acceptable to demonstrate.

Anyway what ever route the OP takes it has to work for them.

Nicki

The thing is Anonemoose, you have quite a distinctive username and many of us will remember that you've started many threads on this board asking for advice on how to lose weight and rants about how much you dislike being overweight. With that background, and coupled with an insistence that diets and weight loss don't work for anyone (later modified to don't work for the majority) and aggressively cutting down anyone who disagrees with you, it's a fair conclusion to come to that you are unhappy with your own weight currently and your previous struggles to lose weight.