Weight loss/healthy eating help

Anoneemoose

BananaRepublic wrote: »

Sorry I’m not letting you get away with changing what you said. Let me remind you:

“Not to mention the fact that there is no known method of permanent weight loss,”

That statement is nonsense.



It is well known that most dieters fail to maintain weight loss, for many reasons. Faddish diets don’t help. By the way you really need to learn how scientific research works and not just accept the claims of one study. I really don’t think you know what you are talking about, then again that’s probably true of most people pushing their own diet related agenda. Incidentally I don’t intend to be rude, but science is complex, and even though I am trained in science, I would not pretend to understand papers from another discipline. That’s why I think you are being very naive.



So, you accept whatever matches what you want to believe.

Given the choice of believing the opinion of the medical establishment, meaning highly experienced and skilled doctors, or you, I’ll choose the doctors if you don’t mind.

As do you. And you can choose to believe who you want. A lot of the people I believe are highly experienced doctors too..and skilled in this particular area.

Anoneemoose

Anoneemoose wrote: »

As do you. And you can choose to believe who you want. A lot of the people I believe are highly experienced doctors too..and skilled in this particular area.

I have never denied saying there is no known method for permanent weight loss loss. Just because I forgot to add ‘for the majority’ that particular time hardly makes a difference. The statement is not nonsense at all, even without all of the ‘science’. Otherwise everyone would be slim and never gain weight after dieting. You’re contradicting yourself because you even say ‘it is well known that most dieters fail to maintain weight loss, for many reasons.’ So come on then..show me this permanent method of weight loss. I’m still waiting.

And no, I am not ‘scientific’, but I am friends with someone who is and knows exactly how to interpret these studies. They usually have a look at things for me and explain them in layman’s tems.

I don’t have a ‘diet related agenda’ and I really don’t think it’s me who’s naive.

maman

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I have never denied saying there is no known method for permanent weight loss loss. Just because I forgot to add ‘for the majority’ that particular time hardly makes a difference. The statement is not nonsense at all, even without all of the ‘science’. Otherwise everyone would be slim and never gain weight after dieting. You’re contradicting yourself because you even say ‘it is well known that most dieters fail to maintain weight loss, for many reasons.’ So come on then..show me this permanent method of weight loss. I’m still waiting.

And no, I am not ‘scientific’, but I am friends with someone who is and knows exactly how to interpret these studies. They usually have a look at things for me and explain them in layman’s tems.

I don’t have a ‘diet related agenda’ and I really don’t think it’s me who’s naive.

My argument would have to be that methods do exist for permanent weightloss.


I'm not talking about crash diets that work fine until you go back to eating a balanced diet again but healthy eating plans including a balance of all food groups.


The plans work. They'll work for anyone who follows them properly. They won't work either initially or for maintenance for anyone who cheats and goes back to whatever old habits got them to put the weight on in the first place.


I'm not being critical but it's a fact that there are many people around who have emotional attachments to food or are comfort eaters or just 'secret eaters'. It comes down to will power in the end whatever method you choose.


It would seem anoneemoose that (assuming you're a woman) that 'the lady doth protest too much'. I'm sorry if that's because you can't successfully lose weight or maintain.

Anoneemoose

maman wrote: »

My argument would have to be that methods do exist for permanent weightloss.


I'm not talking about crash diets that work fine until you go back to eating a balanced diet again but healthy eating plans including a balance of all food groups.


The plans work. They'll work for anyone who follows them properly. They won't work either initially or for maintenance for anyone who cheats and goes back to whatever old habits got them to put the weight on in the first place.


I'm not being critical but it's a fact that there are many people around who have emotional attachments to food or are comfort eaters or just 'secret eaters'. It comes down to will power in the end whatever method you choose.


It would seem anoneemoose that (assuming you're a woman) that 'the lady doth protest too much'. I'm sorry if that's because you can't successfully lose weight or maintain.

And once again..see the video link to Sandra Aamodt’s TED talk. It’s nothing at all to do with willpower. Our bodies have been designed for the whole of time to protect us from weight loss and that’s why people ‘don’t stick to diets’.

I’m still waiting for proof of this magic permanent solution to weight loss. I reckon I’ll be waiting a while.

It’s funny. I was never overweight until I dieted. And then I stupidly took the doctor’s advice to join Slimming World after I ‘didn’t lose my baby weight quick enough’. Oh, I managed to maintain my weight loss for a while via that method..by restricting, by being hungry, by constantly thinking about what about I ‘should or shouldn’t be eating’. I stopped dieting 2 years ago. My weight has been stable since then, without any effort at all. It’s higher than ever, but I’m ok with that now.

I daresay had I returned to my normal way of eating instead of dieting for 2 decades, I’d likely have returned to and maintained my ‘normal’ weight. That didn’t happen. But I can categorically say that my diet is much healthier now than it ever was when I dieted. I eat a mainly whole food, from scratch repertoire of meals now.

maman

Anoneemoose wrote: »

And once again..see the video link to Sandra Aamodt’s TED talk. It’s nothing at all to do with willpower. Our bodies have been designed for the whole of time to protect us from weight loss and that’s why people ‘don’t stick to diets’.

I’m still waiting for proof of this magic permanent solution to weight loss. I reckon I’ll be waiting a while.

It’s funny. I was never overweight until I dieted. And then I stupidly took the doctor’s advice to join Slimming World after I ‘didn’t lose my baby weight quick enough’. Oh, I managed to maintain my weight loss for a while via that method..by restricting, by being hungry, by constantly thinking about what about I ‘should or shouldn’t be eating’. I stopped dieting 2 years ago. My weight has been stable since then, without any effort at all. It’s higher than ever, but I’m ok with that now.

I daresay had I returned to my normal way of eating instead of dieting for 2 decades, I’d likely have returned to and maintained my ‘normal’ weight. That didn’t happen. But I can categorically say that my diet is much healthier now than it ever was when I dieted. I eat a mainly whole food, from scratch repertoire of meals now.

You've obviously convinced yourself that there's a scientific reason for you being overweight.

If you were hungry on SW then you weren't following the plan properly. Constantly thinking about food is often an emotional thing.

Sorry to hear that you're at your highest weight ever. That must be why you feel the need to refuse to listen to any alternatives other than it's out of your control. If that makes it easier for you to accept your weight then that's your choice.

Anoneemoose

maman wrote: »

You've obviously convinced yourself that there's a scientific reason for you being overweight.

If you were hungry on SW then you weren't following the plan properly. Constantly thinking about food is often an emotional thing.

Sorry to hear that you're at your highest weight ever. That must be why you feel the need to refuse to listen to any alternatives other than it's out of your control. If that makes it easier for you to accept your weight then that's your choice.

:rotfl::rotfl:

Bless you.

Please don’t be sorry I’m at my highest weight ever. I’m not. And for the record, every single word you posted in that last post is incorrect. Whether you believe it or not.

Also, as SW consultant back in the 90’s who too was blinkered by the whole thing and wouldn’t hear a word against it, I can assure you I was following the plan to the letter. As for refusing to accept alternatives...hmmm, that’ll be why I spent 20 years dieting then before I came to this opinion. Not the other way around.

We have been told for decades and decades to diet to lose weight, yet people are getting bigger. As are the profits of the multi billion pound diet industry. And now there is more and more research to show that losing weight is not the be all and end all in regard to health, and is pretty much impossible IN THE MAJORITY, LONG TERM. I realise that when people are presented with conflicting information to what they’ve previously been told there can be an element of cognitive dissonance or complete refusal to believe anything different. And before you pip up again, I DID previously believe the same as you.

I’m also still waiting for proof of the efficacy of diets in the long term. I’ll not hold my breath.

I can see this will go around in circles. You continue with your own beliefs. I’ll continue with mine.

BananaRepublic

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I have never denied saying there is no known method for permanent weight loss loss. Just because I forgot to add ‘for the majority’ that particular time hardly makes a difference.

Yes it does. It completely changes the meaning of the statement, and it was the original statement that I said was nonsense. You can't retrospectively change what you said. You could say "Sorry, I made a mistake, I meant to write ..". If you don't understand this, compare "Some white people are dishonest" and "White people are dishonest". Notice the difference?

BananaRepublic

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I have never denied saying there is no known method for permanent weight loss loss. [snip] You’re contradicting yourself because you even say ‘it is well known that most dieters fail to maintain weight loss, for many reasons.’ So come on then..show me this permanent method of weight loss. I’m still waiting.

I disagreed with your statement that there is no known method of permanent weight loss. There is, it's known as eating according to need rather than want. That does not contradict the fact that many/most dieters fail to keep the weight loss.

BananaRepublic

Anoneemoose wrote: »

As do you. And you can choose to believe who you want. A lot of the people I believe are highly experienced doctors too..and skilled in this particular area.

I choose to believe the current accepted medical opinions rather than selecting one or two studies.

BananaRepublic

maman wrote: »

My argument would have to be that methods do exist for permanent weightloss.


I'm not talking about crash diets that work fine until you go back to eating a balanced diet again but healthy eating plans including a balance of all food groups.


The plans work. They'll work for anyone who follows them properly. They won't work either initially or for maintenance for anyone who cheats and goes back to whatever old habits got them to put the weight on in the first place.


I'm not being critical but it's a fact that there are many people around who have emotional attachments to food or are comfort eaters or just 'secret eaters'. It comes down to will power in the end whatever method you choose.


It would seem anoneemoose that (assuming you're a woman) that 'the lady doth protest too much'. I'm sorry if that's because you can't successfully lose weight or maintain.

I agree. Eating sensibly and eating good food is key. The problem with most diets in my view is that they force you to eat in a faddish way, often with expensive ingredients, sometimes sourced from the company pushing the diet. All too often someone has a diet book to push, and generally there is no supporting evidence for the claims therein. There is a rather unpleasant exploitative industry around losing weight. Then again, there is one that pushes high profit cheap to make 'foods' based on sugar and fat.

Also people expect to lose large amounts of weight, and doing so will stress the body and the soul. Much better to eat healthier, and gradually lose weight until you reach a sensible value.

And of course as you indicate there are psychological factors at work. Many of us do awful jobs, with stressful home lives.