How to hurt the parking companies?

NeilCr

Redx wrote: »

I do not live on a private residential estate with these sorts of issues that yourselves and others describe

but I feel that if an MA and a PPC had some sort of database containing a whitelist of vehicles that are allowed on the estate and in parking bays (and not be reliant on some antiquated system or paper permits that need to be displayed in a certain position on the front windscreen) , plus some sort of system that allows a ticketed resident to complain to said MA and PPC and easily get the pcn quashed , it would alleviate a lot (not all) f the problems

after all, If ASDA can put my vehicle on a whitelist with PE for the whole of the UK due to my BB exemption (under the EA2010) , plus if I can register 2 vehicles with TfL for congestion charge exemption (and alter them online myself as required) then surely it would be simple enough for an MAand a "responsible" PPC to organise something similar

its also disgraceful when taxis and delivery vehicles etc get ticketed on these private estates whilst trying to do their job like deliveries or removals etc (aka Jopson)

the whole point of an MA having a PPC on these private estates is to keep out those who should not be there, not target the captive residents like LINK parking and UKCPM appear to do

and having various outfits responsible for different things does not help, as some of the threads on here indicate when you see a landowner , a leaseholder , a tenant , an MA and letting agents each blaming the other and nobody having overall control and its difficult to get to the bottom of who employed the PPC and if they have the authority to do so (or not)

or maybe after 6 years of reading this stuff, I am totally wrong ? (but I doubt it)

Not at all. I think you are pretty much totally right!

I agree with you about authority. It's quite murky in some of the threads you read here. Which was why we were clear that we wanted the final say and to be able to squash tickets.

And, yes, there are bad cases. I am really arguing against the suggestions that MAs are corrupt and hold residents in contempt. I, honestly, think that they sometimes just don't understand the full ramifications of introducing a PPC. And I do think they get pressured into it by freeholders and residents. MAs are sometimes "pleasers". Our recently appointed MA is up to speed, though. They told us that they would only recommend a PPC as a very last resort and they had had problems with them elsewhere.


Whitelists are interesting. They've been mentioned a few times. I think your biggest problem would be keeping it up to date - especially where there are quite a lot of tenants. That's not a criticism of tenants btw - we do find they come and go a lot in six months and, in my experience, landlords and letting agents are not very good about telling them the rules.

So, on our estate anyway, I think you might get quite a few tickets at changeover time.

As I've said here before parking posts have worked quite well on one of our car parks. And, if we had had a PPC, we would have gone down the self ticketing route

beamerguy

1: Residential is catching up and we don't know the half it

2: The evidence is shown on this forum

3: So that is why scammers are employed, to provide
a service ?

I have already said that I met a landowner who signed up
for the commission, he is just small fry

Many people ask for contract proof but are told it is
privileged information

You have said that you are taking on a parking company,
are you happy to show that contract ? doubt it

If honesty prevailed without "fob offs", their might be a case
to exclude the suspicion

What decent landlord/agent/MA would even allow
people being taken to court ? Plenty it seems.

You are convinced that there are no back handers, what proof
do you have of this?

NeilCr

beamerguy wrote: »

1: Residential is catching up and we don't know the half it

2: The evidence is shown on this forum

3: So that is why scammers are employed, to provide
a service ?

I have already said that I met a landowner who signed up
for the commission, he is just small fry

Many people ask for contract proof but are told it is
privileged information

You have said that you are taking on a parking company,
are you happy to show that contract ? doubt it

If honesty prevailed without "fob offs", their might be a case
to exclude the suspicion

What decent landlord/agent/MA would even allow
people being taken to court ? Plenty is seems.

You are convinced that there are no back handers, what proof
do you have of this?

Nope. Never said we are taking on a PPC.

I've worked with MAs for eighteen years and have never seen any evidence of backhanders. I know others who are directors on estates and they will say the same. And, of course, if there were MAs taking bribes then I would have thought there would have been allegations somewhere. There isn't much mileage in articles headed "MAs don't take backhanders" after all

And, as I've said before it would be silly to rule it out completely. It's your sweeping statements and assertions that I take issue with.

As a director of a ManCo I'd have no problem seeing a persistent offender who had blatantly broken the parking rules taken to court. I wouldn't want it and would hope that it could be sorted out beforehand but... I don't see that makes me "non decent"

Again. I don't see the widespread corruption and contempt that you allege from residential MAs. I do see confusion about authority, pressures from freeholders and residents and a lack of detailed knowledge in a number of instances.

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

Nope. Never said we are taking on a PPC.

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You did say you were looking at taking on a PPC.

Redx made some excellent points
You are at liberty to take issue with what I say

At the end of the day, you are a director of a company
who has parking issues, we on the other hand are here
to help people to beat the parking scammers.

It must be said that we do not approve of bad ignorant
parkers but they are in the minority, most being scammed
for parking in their own space by cash cow cowboys and
MA's that actually allow that to happen

We are on different sides so we must agree to disagree

NeilCr

beamerguy wrote: »

You did say you were looking at taking on a PPC.

Redx made some excellent points
You are at liberty to take issue with what I say

At the end of the day, you are a director of a company
who has parking issues, we on the other hand are here
to help people to beat the parking scammers.

It must be said that we do not approve of bad ignorant
parkers but they are in the minority, most being scammed
for parking in their own space by cash cow cowboys and
MA's that actually allow that to happen

We are on different sides so we must agree to disagree

I said we thought about it a while back

Actually, I don't think we are on different sides. I think we come at it from different perspectives - both of us, basically want the same thing.

Agree re Redx - and re agreeing to disagree.

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