How to hurt the parking companies?

NeilCr

Snakes_Belly wrote: »

@Neilcr.

Lucky in some ways but the area does have problems with fires especially during the very dry spell that we have had recently. High Peak is also suffering. People who do not extinguish their cigarettes, glass bottles left about can start a fire, disposable barbeques not put out. These people rarely get fines or end up in court yet do thousands of pounds of damage. Yet put the wrong number into a terminal and you are in for a lot of hassle.

Sure

:beer::beer:

All areas have their own problems and issues. I could go into length about our waste collection! Or lack of......... And people littering our beaches. :(

But, just because one area doesn't have parking issues doesn't mean that others don't. Glad to see people who have roads free and supermarket parking easy. That's not my world and some of the bad parking is dangerous and selfish. So like your fires (and I massively sympathise - must be awful) we have folks who are happy to endanger lives as long as they are okay.

I am with most of the posters here re PPCs. I get it. But, unfortunately, calling PPCs names and suggesting MAs take backhanders (not my experience and I have dealt with a number of MAs) doesn't help with the basic problem.

As ever. We all have are own experiences and that is what we relate to and comment on. Trying to see it through other peoples eyes is good. I do it. Not sure others (not you Snakesbelly) do - some paying of lip service here.

Snakes_Belly

There is a trend now to outsource everything. Maybe some are getting a kickback but it could also be that people just can't manage like they used to. Hospitals had their own catering, laundry, cleaning etc. Now it's all contracted out.

NeilCr

luverlyjubbly wrote: »

That's a £100 charge heading your way :rotfl:.

:T:T:D:D

Plus the £65 admin charge and the court fees.

Big birthday for me tomorrow so a bank transfer of £150 (to settle the debt) to NeilCr at Parkingeye.com will suffice.

I thank you for your business!

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

I am with most of the posters here re PPCs. I get it. But, unfortunately, calling PPCs names and suggesting MAs take backhanders (not my experience and I have dealt with a number of MAs) doesn't help with the basic problem.

As ever. We all have are own experiences and that is what we relate to and comment on. Trying to see it through other peoples eyes is good. I do it. Not sure others (not you Snakesbelly) do - some paying of lip service here.

But Neil, you have been exonerated from all this,as you have
said before, you would not get involved in such underhand stuff.
We believe you

But, this is a corrupt industry and where morals hit
an all time low and there is a lot of cash floating around,
of course their will be takers, even if you don't know
any yourself
A small part, are the part timers who work on a
commission basis. There will be big players as well ???

Calling these people, idiots, scammers and cowboys, is
something they have brought on themselves and if
mud sticks .... ???

NeilCr

Snakes_Belly wrote: »

There is a trend now to outsource everything. Maybe some are getting a kickback but it could also be that people just can't manage like they used to. Hospitals had their own catering, laundry, cleaning etc. Now it's all contracted out.

beamerguy wrote: »

But Neil, you have been exonerated from all this,as you have
said before, you would not get involved in such underhand stuff.
We believe you

But, this is a corrupt industry and where morals hit
an all time low and there is a lot of cash floating around,
of course their will be takers, even if you don't know
any yourself
A small part, are the part timers who work on a
commission basis. There will be big players as well ???

Calling these people, idiots, scammers and cowboys, is
something they have brought on themselves and if
mud sticks .... ???

But BeamerGuy

Thank you for believing me. I tell the truth.

:beer::beer:

I get what you say but scattergun doesn't work all the time. I've been dealing with MAs for about 18 years now. Big, small, medium - good bad indifferent. Some very very efficient - some (including our previous one) very inefficient. And my general view is that they aren't taking backhanders. Most of them don't have the time and are far too process bound to be able to do it

More than happy to stand corrected with real proof (not my mate down the road telling me) and be interested in your actual experience of engaging with MAs.

Having said all that, based on my involvement with this board, I am beginning to think there is a biggish difference between the issues relating to retail parking and residential estates (which is where I am coming from) whatever Greg Knight's bill might say

Snakes_Belly

If some people are parking very selfishly then a totally independent appeals system would be able to identify the regulars and also identify the hotspots. Hopefully they would also have some powers to penalise the PPC's. If a new system of appeal is set up well it could clean up the whole process. No one expects a free for all. People just want fairness which is not what they are getting at the moment.

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

But BeamerGuy

Thank you for believing me. I tell the truth.

:beer::beer:

I get what you say but scattergun doesn't work all the time. I've been dealing with MAs for about 18 years now. Big, small, medium - good bad indifferent. Some very very efficient - some (including our previous one) very inefficient. And my general view is that they aren't taking backhanders. Most of them don't have the time and are far too process bound to be able to do it

More than happy to stand corrected with real proof (not my mate down the road telling me) and be interested in your actual experience of engaging with MAs.

Having said all that, based on my involvement with this board, I am beginning to think there is a biggish difference between the issues relating to retail parking and residential estates (which is where I am coming from) whatever Greg Knight's bill might say

Neil, I have seen corruption first hand albiet in other
industries, it is rife but it's hidden.
Nobody will admit to it but the fact is, backhanders are
common place. Probably the biggest people will know
about is Libor ?

Where there is money, there is muck and it's not a case
of the man down the road, it's real and happening in your town
now ... it's not a case of proving it's happening, more so that
it's not ?

Residential is now becoming close to retail regarding the
scammers

So, the question is ..... why do landowners/MA's try to wash
their hands of the problem ?
Why do CEO's of supermarkets, despite all the complaints,
still employ these cowboys

WHY ..... a simple answer.

If they are not having a share, in your opinion, why would
they hold customers/tenants with such contempt

NeilCr

Well.

First of seem to be considerably less residential cases than retail so I am not sure sweeping statements about MAs and residential apply that much.

Secondly. Not sure how much real evidence you have that many residential MAs do treat tenants with contempt. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. I have never come across that, personally - slow/useless/etc maybe (in one case definitely!)

Which, of course, is not to say that it doesn't happen. There are baddies everywhere

Thirdly. I think they get caught quite often between residents and freeholders. They are trying to provide a service to residents while remembering that the freeholder pays them. Awkward at times! I do think they come under pressure (from both sides) to bring in parking control and do so without a full understanding of what that will mean.

Again, any hard evidence that residential MAs are taking backhanders to support your allegation would be interesting.

NeilCr

Snakes_Belly wrote: »

If some people are parking very selfishly then a totally independent appeals system would be able to identify the regulars and also identify the hotspots. Hopefully they would also have some powers to penalise the PPC's. If a new system of appeal is set up well it could clean up the whole process. No one expects a free for all. People just want fairness which is not what they are getting at the moment.

100% agree. I've said a few times that I sincerely hope that Greg Knight's bill results in the proper curbs and checks on PPCs whist ensuring that those who park badly and selfishly receive the correct punishment.

Redx

I do not live on a private residential estate with these sorts of issues that yourselves and others describe

but I feel that if an MA and a PPC had some sort of database containing a whitelist of vehicles that are allowed on the estate and in parking bays (and not be reliant on some antiquated system or paper permits that need to be displayed in a certain position on the front windscreen) , plus some sort of system that allows a ticketed resident to complain to said MA and PPC and easily get the pcn quashed , it would alleviate a lot (not all) f the problems

after all, If ASDA can put my vehicle on a whitelist with PE for the whole of the UK due to my BB exemption (under the EA2010) , plus if I can register 2 vehicles with TfL for congestion charge exemption (and alter them online myself as required) then surely it would be simple enough for an MAand a "responsible" PPC to organise something similar

its also disgraceful when taxis and delivery vehicles etc get ticketed on these private estates whilst trying to do their job like deliveries or removals etc (aka Jopson)

the whole point of an MA having a PPC on these private estates is to keep out those who should not be there, not target the captive residents like LINK parking and UKCPM appear to do

and having various outfits responsible for different things does not help, as some of the threads on here indicate when you see a landowner , a leaseholder , a tenant , an MA and letting agents each blaming the other and nobody having overall control and its difficult to get to the bottom of who employed the PPC and if they have the authority to do so (or not)

or maybe after 6 years of reading this stuff, I am totally wrong ? (but I doubt it)