Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

Miller has the right of recourse to the courts the same as anyone else.
Let’s not however make out that she did it out of some personal love of democracy. Like many successful and wealthy London based Remoaners the Brexit vote was an enormous jolt from her comfortable existence and she got and probably still has the serious hump about.
People like Gina should make a visit to Grimethorpe or similar, they might get a more rounded understanding of why so many people voted the way they did.

Miller was just an unwitting tool of the likes of Soros. Who do you think funded her action?

She got the court verdict that she wanted but not the outcome when parliament voted.

lisyloo

People like Gina should make a visit to Grimethorpe or similar, they might get a more rounded understanding of why so many people voted the way they did.

For those of us that can't get there, can you fill us in?

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Someone like Gina Miller shows no sign of trying to understand the will of the people. She's no different to many a politician, to be fair.

She's far from a hero, just someone with clear self interest.

Funded by people such as Charlie Mullins ( Pimilico Plumbers). Who recently lost a court case himself.

Plumber wins workers' rights battle against Pimlico Plumbers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44465639

Wonder how many "overseas" tradespeople Pimlico employs?

Ballard

Tromking wrote: »

Miller has the right of recourse to the courts the same as anyone else.
Let’s not however make out that she did it out of some personal love of democracy. Like many successful and wealthy London based Remoaners the Brexit vote was an enormous jolt from her comfortable existence and she got and probably still has the serious hump about.
People like Gina should make a visit to Grimethorpe or similar, they might get a more rounded understanding of why so many people voted the way they did.

Regardless of her reasons for pushing the issue let’s also not forget that the result was the right one for democracy. We should never get into the position where a small group of MPs change something as massive as this without any recourse. That would be utterly undemocratic.

cogito

lisyloo wrote: »

For those of us that can't get there, can you fill us in?

Said she with a sneer.

Does this help you to understand?

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/01/15/we-dont-exist-to-them-do-we-why-working-class-people-voted-for-brexit/

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Someone like Gina Miller shows no sign of trying to understand the will of the people. She's no different to many a politician, to be fair.

She's far from a hero, just someone with clear self interest.

What did she do that was against the will of the people? Petition for parliamentary democracy?
Or do you think because it might result in Brexit getting scrutiny and dropped, that makes her an enemy of the people?

cogito wrote: »

Or how about:

UK: Let's sit down and discuss our exit.
EU: OK as long as you understand that you will do exactly as we say
UK: Article 50 requires you to negotiate an agreement
EU: Since when did we worry about breaking our own laws.
UK: What about Article 8 then?
EU: See our previous reply
UK:OK, goodbye then.
EU: What about our money?
UK: When you meet your obligations, we’ll meet ours.

Except none of that happened. The EU is still at the "So we're at the negotiating table, what do you actually want?" stage, and has said nothing about ignoring Article 8 or refusing to deal.


It gave us a clear menu of options were available, including a little chart. We still keep asking for stuff that's not available and are refusing to pick a starting point.

lisyloo

Said she with a sneer.

Absolutely not.
I'm a priviledged person, aware of my privilege, trying to get educated.

Does this help you to understand?

Thanks, I'll take a look.
Please hold back a little on the judgement if you really do want to help educate people.

cogito

lisyloo wrote: »

Absolutely not.
I'm a priviledged person, aware of my privilege, trying to get educated.



Thanks, I'll take a look.
Please hold back a little on the judgement if you really do want to help educate people.

Apologies then. It just came over in a different way from what you intended.

lisyloo

Does this help you to understand?

I do understand their concerns.

I'm not sure brexit (of any variety) is going to address their concerns though.


It's unlikely that migration has caused their housing issue.
Migrants in London are extremely efficient in their use of accomodation.
There are a number of other factors e.g. 2nd homes, lack of social housing, right to buy, lack of house building.


So yes, I sympathise and understand their concerns.
I don't think imigration is to blame or brexit will fix them.
But it does explain why people will vote against a system that doesn't serve their kind.

Enterprise_1701C

Ballard wrote: »

Regardless of her reasons for pushing the issue let’s also not forget that the result was the right one for democracy. We should never get into the position where a small group of MPs change something as massive as this without any recourse. That would be utterly undemocratic.

So let me get this right. You are happy about the fact that the eu has leapt from being a common market to a fledglng superstate without our say so, with them refusing to allow anyone a vote and hoping that we won't notice until we lose all independance, but you don't think the PM should be able to disentangle the country from the grasping claws of the eu without having the negotiate the way around the self-entitled remainers in Parliament and in The Lords.

Can you imagine how unbearable fish face would be if SNP votes managed to scupper our plans?

Our country could be so much more than it is, we do not need obstacles constantly being thrown under the hooves of the wonderful white stallion that is Brexit.