Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Zero_Gravitas

mayonnaise wrote: »

The 'yournewswire' link is a tea sprayer also.


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/YourNewsWire

Thank you - I didn’t get as far as that one...

So a brexiteer is holding up David Icke, a fake news website and the Daily Express as reliable sources. Seems about par for the course.

mayonnaise

wunferall wrote: »

How unusual, remainers denying what has been said by their fellows regarding the BS spouted by them that we could face WWIII.
Note please dear readers how studiously my post yesterday re: Lord Roberts of Llandudno, a staunch remainer please note, have been ignored.

You see, the Project Fear that these remainers try to tell you never happened continues.
Still.
:eek:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2018-04-30/debates/8EB87728-0FFE-47BB-A2CA-26C1498F1548/EuropeanUnion(Withdrawal)Bill#contribution-143B0A92-D0BB-4EB2-A4DD-B121950C6DD4


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-43962922

But according to remainers here nothing was ever said.
:wall:

This dear reader can't see any mention of WW3, not in the BBC article, nor the HoL hansards. Maybe you pasted the wrong link?

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

I'm constantly being told on here I lost and need to get over it.

I didn't understand the Remain camp tactics at all after the referendum tbh.

There was this suggestion that Remain lost because they were out of touch with ordinary people ... so they head up a legal challenge by Gina Miller?!! How is that going to reunite people.

There was 9 months between the vote and A50 being triggered. Surely this was the time to plough all this resource into the costs of transition, and a deep deep analysis into why people voted the way they did. Even a detailed national census on regional issues would have been cheaper than making mistakes.

It was maybe a time for humility and not political pride.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I didn't understand the Remain camp tactics at all after the referendum tbh.

There was this suggestion that Remain lost because they were out of touch with ordinary people ... so they head up a legal challenge by Gina Miller?!! How is that going to reunite people.

There was 9 months between the vote and A50 being triggered. Surely this was the time to plough all this resource into the costs of transition, and a deep deep analysis into why people voted the way they did. Even a detailed national census on regional issues would have been cheaper than making mistakes.

It was maybe a time for humility and not political pride.

Gina Miller didn't lodge the challenge (which was upheld, thus legally valid) with the sole purpose of stopping Brexit (though she wanted to), but to ensure that Parliament had a say on it. This is still something both Brexiteers and Remainers should be cheering for - can you imagine what kind of Brexit we'd get if May was allowed her plan of negotiating the whole thing herself, in private?


Plus, wanting to change things is a key part of democracy. If you're all for the will of the people and parliamentary sovereignty (2 of the major things claimed to be the reason for brexit, rather than good old honest xenophobia), then Miller should be held up as some kind of hero. Because of her you still have parliamentary sovereignty, and an opportunity for the will of the people to be followed.


It's a shame both concepts went out the window the second they risked giving the wrong result, but the hypocrisy of the right-wing is certainly not a new thing.



To be honest I'm stunned that we're still having the same arguments almost 2 years later.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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Plus, wanting to change things is a key part of democracy. If you're all for the will of the people and parliamentary sovereignty (2 of the major things claimed to be the reason for brexit, rather than good old honest xenophobia), then Miller should be held up as some kind of hero. Because of her you still have parliamentary sovereignty, and an opportunity for the will of the people to be followed.
...

Someone like Gina Miller shows no sign of trying to understand the will of the people. She's no different to many a politician, to be fair.

She's far from a hero, just someone with clear self interest.

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

Someone like Gina Miller shows no sign of trying to understand the will of the people. She's no different to many a politician, to be fair.

She's far from a hero, just someone with clear self interest.

Wasn’t her issue that the government couldn’t implement such a massive change without it going through parliament? It seems entirely correct that we follow democracy on this point just as we should about any other.

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

i.e. you can't find a quote from Cameron saying brexit would send us careening towards war.

Keep blustering but you've been caught in an untruth.

Even quoting me you still cannot differentiate between "could" and "would", and then tell me that I have been caught in an untruth!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

This dear reader can't see any mention of WW3, not in the BBC article, nor the HoL hansards. Maybe you pasted the wrong link?

Maybe it's time to take off your blinkers?
"Let us take the warning" when referring to Hitler & Nazi Germany could mean so many things after all. :wall:
You're trying to defend the indefensible.
Funny how so many of a remain persuasion do that.

Tromking

Ballard wrote: »

Wasn’t her issue that the government couldn’t implement such a massive change without it going through parliament? It seems entirely correct that we follow democracy on this point just as we should about any other.

Miller has the right of recourse to the courts the same as anyone else.
Let’s not however make out that she did it out of some personal love of democracy. Like many successful and wealthy London based Remoaners the Brexit vote was an enormous jolt from her comfortable existence and she got and probably still has the serious hump about.
People like Gina should make a visit to Grimethorpe or similar, they might get a more rounded understanding of why so many people voted the way they did.

cogito

Lungboy wrote: »

EU: What do you want?
UK: The moon on a stick.
EU: don't be silly, what do you want?
UK: A stick with the moon on it.
EU: that's what you asked for before and it's still silly. What do you want ?
UK: a thin brown pole with the earth's natural satellite at the end
EU: that's the same thing again! This is nuts
UK: ok, we tried, no point wasting more time.

Or how about:

UK: Let's sit down and discuss our exit.
EU: OK as long as you understand that you will do exactly as we say
UK: Article 50 requires you to negotiate an agreement
EU: Since when did we worry about breaking our own laws.
UK: What about Article 8 then?
EU: See our previous reply
UK:OK, goodbye then.
EU: What about our money?
UK: When you meet your obligations, we’ll meet ours.