SIP Parking

Quentin

You will have read about the futility of appeals to IPC companies in #9 above

With IPC companies you wait and see if they choose to pursue it to court

Ignore everything except a lbcca or Court correspondence. If you do get to that then come back at that time for advice on how to defend

They have 6 years to start legal proceedings against you

ChantillyLace86

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They rejected my appeal but I'm not sure what they are saying? What is my next step?

ChantillyLace86

Umkomaas

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They rejected my appeal but I'm not sure what they are saying? What is my next step?

Exactly as Quentin advises in post #32 above.

ChantillyLace86

I have continued on this thread as it was getting tangled within my BW Legal thread.


Ok, so i sent an email to SIP parking as they are still offering me the reduced rate of £100 if paid within 14 days...i emailed this as i saw something similiar on some elses thread:

PCN: XXXXX Vehicle Registration: XXXXX Dear Sir/Madam I am writing in response to your letter dated 04 July in which you demand a 'Final Settlement'. I note that in the letter you indicated that you are willing to reduce the charges which you believe I owe you from £160 to £100 for a 14 day period, and suggest that if I do not pay this charge then I may be issued with County Court Proceedings. However, I understand that the most you are able to charge me is £100 by law, so a £60 discount should reduce the charge to £40. I am therefore not going to accept this offer. I am instead writing to request that you reconsider this and cancel the charge in full or accept the monies for the exceeded time of approx 15 minutes. If this matter does go to Court, I believe I have a strong case, as you cannot justifying £100 for 15 minutes parking at 22:51 PM. I believe as I paid for 4 hours as I attended a concert, due to the nature of the situation I will be successful. Can you please prove what monies were lost due to this? In addition, I can confirm that if I do successfully defend any case made against me, which I believe I will, I will be seeking to claim costs against you.I will also be seeking to understand what happened to the money which I actually paid to you on that date. I believe therefore that it is in your interest to agree to cancel the charge in full or except the payment for the exceeded time I incurred, and in return, I will agree not to pursue any action against you to retrieve my costs. I look forward to hearing from you Yours faithfully, XXXXX

Whether or not this was a good idea, i don't know??? Anyway, this is their response:

Dear XXXX,
This is an agreed contractual term, therefore loss is irrelevant. The signs make it clear that any driver parking without displaying a ticket or other authority agrees to pay the charge. There is no reference to breach. It is the price the driver has agreed to pay for not displaying a valid ticket. Once the driver has entered into an agreement with the Operator to pay the parking charge the Operator does not have to subsequently show that the amount they have charged is the amount lost.

Kind regards
SiP Car Parks


Not quite sure why they are talking about me not displaying a ticket when i paid online through my phone?! So there wouldn't have been a ticket on display...that isn't the issue. I feel they have copied and pasted something.

Regardless, what is my next step??
Thank you

adam5816

You should not have revealed who was driving. Your correspondence with the PPC had you as the driver written all over it.

After the Beavis v Parking Eye case, you should never use losses as an argument. A PPC does not have to show that it incurred any losses but just prove that there was a breach of contract.

The IPC and all the PPC's part of it are a bunch of scammers, don't reply back to any of their debt collectors. Only look out for a Letter Before Claim or court papers.

Do you have an electronic receipt for your parking? - if you do it should show the time entered for your parking which should coincide with the ticket they had issued. This can be used in your court case as you will not be paying anything, you will be fighting this all the way. Go back to the car park and take pictures of the poor signage they have.

ChantillyLace86

oh god, i knew i screwed it up :'(

I had already appealed this as soon as it came through last year, got Gladstones letter through, ignored them all and then recieved this latest one from SIP asking me AGAIN for the reduced amount.


I don't have the electronic ticket as it was so long ago but i would think it would be on their systems. They took the payment from me, i could look through my paypal payments, maybe it processed through that or bank staments with the amount?

adam5816

ChantillyLace86 wrote: »

oh god, i knew i screwed it up :'(

I had already appealed this as soon as it came through last year, got Gladstones letter through, ignored them all and then recieved this latest one from SIP asking me AGAIN for the reduced amount.


I don't have the electronic ticket as it was so long ago but i would think it would be on their systems. They took the payment from me, i could look through my paypal payments, maybe it processed through that or bank staments with the amount?

It's fine, ignore all of their threatening letters just stack them away to be used in court in the future if they decide to pursue this in court.

How was the signage at the location? -

If the LBC or court papers ever arrive, you have to argue this on technicality as many points as you can including the point that the driver had paid on the day - attaching any receipts you may have.

The most you could lose at court is £200, and if you win you could be claiming back your costs of travel and a days wages meaning £0 loss to you. I would not let these scammers win so easily without a fight.

Redx

Email a SAR to the DPO at SIP for all Doc's, pics and data including payments made through the app or whatever method was used

If PayPal was used check the history of contact them as well, for details just before, during and just after this incident

If payment was made by phone and app then no windscreen ticket was ever issued, so what is the alleged breach ?

Presumably they could not match a phone payment to your VRM ?

Sometimes a driver defence is better when a payment has been made and can be proven, so don't cry yet, lol

ChantillyLace86

I exceeded the time i paid for by about 10-15 minutes, i bought 4 hours but being a concert, it was difficult to predict...i came out at 22:51 pm.

I paid through the online option, so i will login into my paypal, but i really don't think i paid through that.

I never went back to look at the signage as it is in the centre of Manchester, so difficult to go back to.


Sorry....DPO? who are they?