Cloned registration plate

AndyMc.....

[quote=[Deleted User];74492775]You are assuming that all ANPR 'captures' are recorded on a single national database. Can you verify that?


AIUI some ANPR cameras are operated by DVLA, and check reg. nos against their system for tax or insurance infringements.


Others are operated by the police, check numbers against the PNC, and presumably record sightings on the forces own local crime system.


Is there really a Big Brother system pulling all that together?[/QUOTE]

ANPR is both local and national as far as the police are concerned.

AndyMc.....

usefulmale wrote: »

For being obtuse, read doesn't know what he is talking about.


You are right in that in most areas it would be a civil offence. However, in some areas, the police will issue proceedings, making it a criminal offence (sadly for the OP, Ealing is not one of those areas). An interesting point to note is that in civil cases, it is the OWNER who is liable, not the driver.

So in this case it's YOU who doesn't know what their talking about when it comes to the burden of proof.

usefulmale

[quote=[Deleted User];74492775]You are assuming that all ANPR 'captures' are recorded on a single national database. Can you verify that?


AIUI some ANPR cameras are operated by DVLA, and check reg. nos against their system for tax or insurance infringements.


Others are operated by the police, check numbers against the PNC, and presumably record sightings on the forces own local crime system.


Is there really a Big Brother system pulling all that together?[/QUOTE]


The records generated by APNR cameras operated by the various police forces are stored centrally at the National APNR Data Centre at Hendon


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recognition_in_the_United_Kingdom

usefulmale

AndyMc..... wrote: »

So in this case it's YOU who doesn't know what their talking about when it comes to the burden of proof.

However, another poster spelled out the details, not you, even after I invited you to do so.


All you had were pithy one-liners.


Lets assume the OP is in a town in South Warwickshire, say Shipston-on-Stour. That's 80 miles from Ealing. An ANPR ping of the same registration in both places within half an hour of each other clearly means something is wrong somewhere.


Even with the balance of probabilities, it's an impossible journey, especially at the 5pm rush-hour as per the OP.

AndyMc.....

usefulmale wrote: »

However, another poster spelled out the details, not you, even after I invited you to do so.


All you had were pithy one-liners.


Lets assume the OP is in a town in South Warwickshire, say Shipston-on-Stour. That's 80 miles from Ealing. An ANPR ping of the same registration in both places within half an hour of each other clearly means something is wrong somewhere.


Even with the balance of probabilities, it's an impossible journey, especially at the 5pm rush-hour as per the OP.

Yes, but in the case of a cloned vehicle there will only be one in relation of any registration checks on the PNC.

The same vehicle could appear to be at opposite ends of the country at the same time.

Do you get it now?

DoaM

Yes, we do ... it means that there would be reasonable doubt as to the veracity of any PCN. (Reasonable doubt is stronger than balance of probabilities). So if the keeper could provide other evidence to support the fact that the true vehicle with that VRM was not the one that generated the PCN then the PCN has no validity and must be cancelled.

Which is what everyone else has been saying but you've just been trying to be a smart rse pursuing a very minor point for nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory. Well done you.

AndyMc.....

DoaM wrote: »

Yes, we do ... it means that there would be reasonable doubt as to the veracity of any PCN. (Reasonable doubt is stronger than balance of probabilities). So if the keeper could provide other evidence to support the fact that the true vehicle with that VRM was not the one that generated the PCN then the PCN has no validity and must be cancelled.

Which is what everyone else has been saying but you've just been trying to be a smart rse pursuing a very minor point for nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory. Well done you.

And as I said, he may have a problem showing where his vehicle was if he is to rely on ANPR.

NBLondon

AndyMc..... wrote: »

And as I said, he may have a problem showing where his vehicle was if he is to rely on ANPR.

if he was to rely on ANPR only

if the OP has other evidence - photos of the vehicle that differ from the one on the PCN; evidence that he/the usual driver was in the same vicinity as one of the ANPR records - that supports the claim that the vehicle incurring the PCN is the clone...

Tiffany12

Hello. I have had a letter from Ealing council to (I live down in Plymouth) a parking ticket was sent to my address and I have now sen photos of a man in the exact same car and reg plate as mine. He has cloned my car! I bought my car in July from Evans Halshaw so I hope mines the legit one! I would love to hear how your problem was solved.

Many thanks

waamo

Tiffany12 wrote: »

Hello. I have had a letter from Ealing council to (I live down in Plymouth) a parking ticket was sent to my address and I have now sen photos of a man in the exact same car and reg plate as mine. He has cloned my car! I bought my car in July from Evans Halshaw so I hope mines the legit one! I would love to hear how your problem was solved.

Many thanks

Report it to the police and DVLA. They might not do much but at least it's on record.