Cloned registration plate

The_little_guy

Hi, I'm new to this forum and have a thread open very similar to yours. Thank you for contacting me.

Why was your first reaction that it must be a cloned car?

I was told the same, however I contacted the police to inform them of such but didn't believe it myself as you know my accusation and theory is that the PCN has had the plate digitally added.

Do exactly what I did I would love to know if it's the same.

Contact the police to report the 'potential' cloned plate. Give them the date and time.

Tell them you was not in the area at all and can they run an anpr check on your plate for that day. They will only be able to say you want in a certain general area they will not tel you where the car was on that date.

So I was told no anpr ping was seen in the London area on the date of my PCN contravention. I live well outside the London area to the point I never visit.

This will at the very least tell you that on the day of the contravention only one car wearing your plates had been pinged on your date of contravention.

I hope this helps.

If what has happened to me has happened to you this will show its not an isolated incedent.

AndyMc.....

The_little_guy wrote: »

Hi, I'm new to this forum and have a thread open very similar to yours. Thank you for contacting me.

Why was your first reaction that it must be a cloned car?

I was told the same, however I contacted the police to inform them of such but didn't believe it myself as you know my accusation and theory is that the PCN has had the plate digitally added.

Do exactly what I did I would love to know if it's the same.

Contact the police to report the 'potential' cloned plate. Give them the date and time.

Tell them you was not in the area at all and can they run an anpr check on your plate for that day. They will only be able to say you want in a certain general area they will not tel you where the car was on that date.

So I was told no anpr ping was seen in the London area on the date of my PCN contravention. I live well outside the London area to the point I never visit.

This will at the very least tell you that on the day of the contravention only one car wearing your plates had been pinged on your date of contravention.

I hope this helps.

If what has happened to me has happened to you this will show its not an isolated incedent.

If there is a cloned car it would still only show one car.

The_little_guy

If 2 cars with the same plate travel in 2 separate locations each ping would show up in a different location in and around the same time give or take when and where the ping was.

For example if I lived in Leeds and parked at work in leeds the ANPR would show my journey to and from that location. If a ping was seen in London on the same date the car would have been pinged several times that day travelling to London.

But if it was pinged in London without any pings on how that plate got to london from Leeds in the space of an impossible time frame questions would be asked on how 2 pings could exist so far apart in 2 very different locations in such a short time frame.

I believe anpr pings can be used to track a cars movements.

I hope I'm making sense?

The_little_guy

Can and administrator please remove this post

I believe it has provided me with the help and advice I need.

waamo

The_little_guy wrote: »

Can and administrator please remove this post

I believe it has provided me with the help and advice I need.

Why delete a post because you've had help? That seems really selfish, suppose someone else had a very similar problem. By seeing your question and replies it could aid them rather than everyone having to repeat themselves.

lincroft1710

waamo wrote: »

Why delete a post because you've had help? That seems really selfish, suppose someone else had a very similar problem. By seeing your question and replies it could aid them rather than everyone having to repeat themselves.

This ^^^^^^

usefulmale

Ectophile wrote: »

It's obvious that AndyMc..... likes being obtuse.

If it's a civil case, then the requirement is to convince the judge, on the balance of probabilities, that the claimant is right. There's no requirement for proof beyond reasonable doubt.

The rules for criminal cases are different. That does require proof beyond reasonable doubt.

A penalty charge notice is likely to be a civil case, and not a criminal prosecution.

For being obtuse, read doesn't know what he is talking about.


You are right in that in most areas it would be a civil offence. However, in some areas, the police will issue proceedings, making it a criminal offence (sadly for the OP, Ealing is not one of those areas). An interesting point to note is that in civil cases, it is the OWNER who is liable, not the driver.

AndyMc..... wrote: »

If there is a cloned car it would still only show one car.

Total rubbish. If it could be co-ordinated, you could have cars with the same plate pass every camera in the UK at the same time on the same day and every camera will record it.


The cameras merely note the plate and uploads the info to a database.


If the OP pinged a camera in Warwickshire at, say, 17:25, and an identical plate pinged a camera in Ealing at, say, 17:30 then both instances will be uploaded to the database and the software could then extract the records to show it is an impossible journey to make.

The_little_guy

Sorry please to not repeat do not delete this post! Wrong thread

Car_54

usefulmale wrote: »

Total rubbish. If it could be co-ordinated, you could have cars with the same plate pass every camera in the UK at the same time on the same day and every camera will record it.

The cameras merely note the plate and uploads the info to a database.

If the OP pinged a camera in Warwickshire at, say, 17:25, and an identical plate pinged a camera in Ealing at, say, 17:30 then both instances will be uploaded to the database and the software could then extract the records to show it is an impossible journey to make.

You are assuming that all ANPR 'captures' are recorded on a single national database. Can you verify that?


AIUI some ANPR cameras are operated by DVLA, and check reg. nos against their system for tax or insurance infringements.


Others are operated by the police, check numbers against the PNC, and presumably record sightings on the forces own local crime system.


Is there really a Big Brother system pulling all that together?

AndyMc.....

usefulmale wrote: »

Total rubbish. If it could be co-ordinated, you could have cars with the same plate pass every camera in the UK at the same time on the same day and every camera will record it.


The cameras merely note the plate and uploads the info to a database.


If the OP pinged a camera in Warwickshire at, say, 17:25, and an identical plate pinged a camera in Ealing at, say, 17:30 then both instances will be uploaded to the database and the software could then extract the records to show it is an impossible journey to make.

Cloned car, same reg, same make, same model.

ANPR reads the reg which is then checked against various databases and then the PNC, which is a direct lift from the DVLA.

How many cars will it produce? One.