Prepping for Brexit thread

[Deleted User]

We have what we have and we must make the best of what we find, is there an alternative? yes there are understandable regrets and anger over change many didn't want but we are where we are now and unless we wish to live seething with the anger and regret that's felt we need to move on and try make the best in life of what we do have.

-taff

Actually, I'm finding it quite funny when I see people being angry over change they DID want. It's nicely ironic. And I'm satisfying my inner ner ner ner ner monster.

MingVase

I just find it gobsmacking how people seem to be like sheep. Put up with anything without even trying to get MPs - who are paid for by us - to do their job even halfway properly. This keeps up you're going to end up back in the landlords fields pulling turnips like Baldrick

VJsmum

MingVase said:

I just find it gobsmacking how people seem to be like sheep. Put up with anything without even trying to get MPs - who are paid for by us - to do their job even halfway properly. This keeps up you're going to end up back in the landlords fields pulling turnips like Baldrick

THanks Mar, couldn't have put it better myself.  i think we all have a right to be angry - almost an obligation.  it's the only way to hold governments to account - if we keep accepting it then they think they can do what the f... hell they like.  It looks like they are going after employment rights, that didn't take long did it?

3secondmemory

boazu said:

There was life before we entered the European Common Market all those years ago and there will be life now Brexit has   become an actual fact.  It won't be the same system we had while we were in the European Union but some other normal will gradually happen and it will settle down  to something the people of these islands will get used to.  Change is never easy, we all look at only the bad things it brings but given time it usually shakes down and sorts itself out to something we can live with in the end.

This was change for change sake, based on lies and false promises. 

It’s hard to ignore the bad bits of Brexit unless you okay with hard working people losing business. 

Waiting for things to sort themselves out and hoping they come to some sort of semblance that we can live with is hardly progressive or forward thinking - it’s certainly no business plan! 🤦‍♀️

[Deleted User]

What else can we do? whatever the reasons given for leaving the UK and however people felt about it  it's here now and we have no choice but to sort out the circumstances we're going to have to live with and under as best we are able. I've never said I wanted or didn't want Brexit but the majority of people who voted in the referendum apparently did want Brexit to happen and now that it has what can we as a nation do except either keep on complaining and repining and stay static in regret or make life as good here as we can?  I don't think we can afford to 'wait' and let others sort out the world for us we all need to work at making the UK a good place to live.  All I can do on a personal level is to support all the small businesses here as far as I can and I've been doing that all my life anyway.  I'm not a pessimist but I'm not an optimist either.  I have no rose tinted glasses to view the world through I know it's going to be tough but am prepared to work and adapt to make what I do have as good as I can.

Saipan

VJsmum said:

MingVase said:

I just find it gobsmacking how people seem to be like sheep. Put up with anything without even trying to get MPs - who are paid for by us - to do their job even halfway properly. This keeps up you're going to end up back in the landlords fields pulling turnips like Baldrick

THanks Mar, couldn't have put it better myself.  i think we all have a right to be angry - almost an obligation.  it's the only way to hold governments to account - if we keep accepting it then they think they can do what the f... hell they like.  It looks like they are going after employment rights, that didn't take long did it?

@MingVase - absolutely spot on.   
@VJsmum - no, it didn't take long, did it?  But at least now they've shown their hand...

The positive I take from all of this is the strength of feeling about this situation amongst the young people I know, and how politicised they have become.  This is such a key element of prepping IMO - scrutinise everything the government does and hold them to account at every juncture.  Personal prepping is helpful but ultimately we all have to live with the government's actions and the effect these have on our ability to take care of ourselves and our families  - we need to make very, very sure that what they do benefits us in concrete terms.   

GreyQueen

  Ahhh, the wondrous working protections afforded to us by our (then) presence in the EU. I note those protections did not include having a minimum wage which was actually enough to live on. They did not include the abuse of self-employment status so that people working exclusively for one company were deemed to be 'self-employed' and thus not eligible for the rights due to employees - and that HMRC were supine in the enforcement of their own rules. That many employed people had no access to sick pay other than the measly SSP via the government. The EU did not protect the workforce from being at the beck and call of employment agencies and gang-masters. When labour was scarcer, factories and farms managed to hire their own workers and bid against each other to get even factory hands. In decades of labour glut, somehow every high street even in market towns had to have multiple employment agencies, all offering the same wages for the same types of jobs to within 5p, in my observation. Call it out for what it is; a wage-fixing cartel.

Yup, with the loss of such 'protections', those of us in the workforce are all going to be in a much much worse place (not) ....... except there will be fewer competitors for jobs as there will be fewer EU nationals entering the country. But for the economic bloodbath caused by Covid, the generality of the workforce might have been seeing some improvements in their pay, terms and conditions in 2021; the utlimate bargaining tool being the walkaway when the employer knows they'll be short-handed and that you'll be hard to replace.

[Deleted User]

I'm not political, I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of Brexit or the people who voted on either side of the debate, I'm being practical and we've got Brexit hate it or love it we've got it and we have to deal with what it brings and we have to make life with what there is.  That's all!

GreyQueen

I didn't say anything about politics. I was commenting that labour protections in the EU haven't done an awful lot of protecting here in the UK, therefore their loss is no biggie. I have plenty more RL examples I could have used.  The politics are not relevent - we're dealing with the situation as it is. My point is, it may not be a worse situation than at present and it could even bring better outcomes for many. People can choose to find the positives in a situation they have no ability to control - and those of us who are still in the workforce are potentially going to be advantaged by the changes. It will certainly change the balance of power between capital and labour, which has been far too unequally towards the former for some time now.