Prepping for Brexit thread

unrecordings

funnily enough I've been grinding my teeth today

GreyQueen

unrecordings wrote: »

funnily enough I've been grinding my teeth today

Dentists will be the unintended beneficiaries!

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I will always vote, it's been too hard won by people I'm grateful to for me not to. I do wonder though what the purpose of voting is in this day and age. If MPs from the party I regard as closest to my philosophy and ideals on life, the party I actually vote for, can subsequently choose to vote not to party line but to their own conscience and stand to represent my vote in parliament which is the direct opposite then the whole democratic voting process is made pointless.

I would like there to be an acceptable ending to all that's happened since the referendum in 2016 for both sides of the argument but I just cannot see how resolution one way or another to leaving or staying in the EU can be achieved without virtually half the nation being in absolute fury mode for the foreseeable future. Whichever way I chose to vote the thing that is the worse feature of all of it is that 52% of those who voted( and the option was open to all eligible voters to actually go out and cast their own vote) chose to vote to leave and their rights and decision are seeming to be disregarded and ignored by most MPs from all parties. Regardless of which camp you stand in surely that fact alone is cause for the gravest of concerns for what is presumed to be a Democratically ruled country,

Blue_Doggy

GreyQueen wrote: »

But I am worried about people just giving up voting as a concept, this whole ridculous shenanigans in parliament gets more stupid by the day. Not only are they wasting time on the issue but they are wasting time which can and should be spent on other issues.

They’ve been wasting time since the day after the referendum. First Cameron resigned and they amused themselves with a leadership contest.
Then they had their (much too long) summer hols.
Then they had their party conferences (why not do that during their holidays? Like normal people).
Then they mucked about until they could have Christmas off.
Rinse and repeat, varying with a General Election if required.

Meanwhile, no Man Jack or Woman Jill of them had so much as a scribbled plan on the back of a crumpled envelope.

What’s really annoying is that there was no proper statesperson among them who could see the dangers of division, call representatives of all parties together to work out a proper plan for a sensible orderly exit, keeping the whole country together. They should have done it during the summer of 2016.

If they’d been really top drawer they could have even out of courtesy invited the Republic of Ireland to observe and comment on parts which will affect them.

Instead we have this “thing” devised to keep one party united and remove a running irritation being dumped on us all, to our great harm. And it hasn’t united even that one party.

But I’m sorry to say that the politicians we have at present (with one or two exceptions) are at best second rate and many are not even that.

Oops! Rant? Me? Never! :rotfl:

D&DD

Our elected member frequently gets embarrassed on tv lol he's a right twit. Got in by the skin of his teeth last time and in a leave borough is rabidly pro EU and votes accordingly.


I'm of the same mind that no matter how peed orf I am I will always use my vote for much the same reasons as others have stated.

Sapphire

Blue_Doggy wrote: »

But I’m sorry to say that the politicians we have at present (with one or two exceptions) are at best second rate and many are not even that.

I'm sorry to say that a gaping sore has been truly exposed by the behaviour of the politicians. They don't even bother to speak to the electorate about the situation. No remainers have ever bothered to explain why they think it's a good idea for our country to be ruled by some unelected bureaucrats of the ilk of Junker and that ugly Belgian, with all the implications that would have for democracy. Or indeed, why we were never given a vote on the issue, but were somehow supposed to be fooled into thinking that the EU was 'just a trading organisation' (which most people would be fine with). The arrogance of these trashy people (exceptions excluded) is simply unbelievable.

Perhaps the politicians are just in the pockets of the EU bureaucrats and globalist corporations and individuals, in whose interest it is to make our country weak (via an ongoing process that has been made glaringly obvious over the course of the last couple of decades, and that has accelerated)? A country's sovereignty is a precious thing, generally achieved through centuries of strife and difficulties – who gave the politicians the right to sell off our country, especially without consulting the electorate? Trouble ahead. :cool:

One thing when it comes to preparations for Brexit, the original theme of this thread. Apart from the very good ideas mentioned earlier, I think it may be good to deal with any major expenses you've been thinking of, like those that can be incurred on things such as white goods, or essential work on a property, to ensure that you don't have to wait for too long for any of these things after Brexit. That's what I've been doing (but without any panic). They were things that needed to be done anyway.

euronorris

Very grateful for my medicine stock at the moment. Had a hellish night. No sleep gained, and got hit with an upset stomach too. Managed to just about keep it together long enough to get DD dressed, and her lunch bag prepped so that DH could drop her off at nursery and then we both promptly went back to bed (well, I had the bed, he had the sofa - his snoring wasn't helping matters). A gel ice pack (slightly warmed up, so not freezing) on my forehead and eyes and I was able to get a few hours kip.

Yes, I also have tiger balm and muscle pain cream/gel in my cupboard, and some bandages. No stranger to back pain or twisted ankles/wrists. I've never used the first defense stuff though, as not sure how well it actually works. Especially when your 3 year old sneezes directly in your face (despite your best attempts to teach her to cover her mouth). Sigh.

This too shall pass. Very grateful that neither of is had to schlep to the shops for paracetamol and the like.

unrecordings

AndyCF wrote: »

For those not "in the know" one of the easier ways is via here:

https://www.mysociety.org/wehelpyou/find-out-how-your-mp-voted/

I love this site, in a kind of masochistic way as you can look up expense claims and really drill down into the detail

AndyCF

unrecordings wrote: »

I love this site, in a kind of masochistic way as you can look up expense claims and really drill down into the detail

I did this with a friend a few months ago who lives about 160 miles away from me in Wales. We only did a very cursory search on expenses 'lately' but it seemed:

My MP seemed to have either lots of staff or few expensive staff (as the claims for those seemed quite high)

My friends MP, her staffing costs were very low but she had very high (imo) expenses for temporary accommodations.

The 'distance' from my friends place vs my place to 'Westminster' is not actually -that- different if you are using a road journey, at least according to vague route planners. It is about 120 vs 150 miles roughly.

To be fair neither of them had any outrageous claims for anything including foods etc.

Just goes to show!

VJsmum

Sapphire wrote: »

I'm sorry to say that a gaping sore has been truly exposed by the behaviour of the politicians. They don't even bother to speak to the electorate about the situation. No remainers have ever bothered to explain why they think it's a good idea for our country to be ruled by some unelected bureaucrats of the ilk of Junker and that ugly Belgian, with all the implications that would have for democracy. Or indeed, why we were never given a vote on the issue, but were somehow supposed to be fooled into thinking that the EU was 'just a trading organisation' (which most people would be fine with). The arrogance of these trashy people (exceptions excluded) is simply unbelievable.

Perhaps the politicians are just in the pockets of the EU bureaucrats and globalist corporations and individuals, in whose interest it is to make our country weak (via an ongoing process that has been made glaringly obvious over the course of the last couple of decades, and that has accelerated)? A country's sovereignty is a precious thing, generally achieved through centuries of strife and difficulties – who gave the politicians the right to sell off our country, especially without consulting the electorate? Trouble ahead. :cool:

One thing when it comes to preparations for Brexit, the original theme of this thread. Apart from the very good ideas mentioned earlier, I think it may be good to deal with any major expenses you've been thinking of, like those that can be incurred on things such as white goods, or essential work on a property, to ensure that you don't have to wait for too long for any of these things after Brexit. That's what I've been doing (but without any panic). They were things that needed to be done anyway.

1. they are elected; we literally just had a European election. What's more, we get a bigger say than most in the European parliament.
2. I think you'll find plenty of information about why it's better to remain (trade deals). I have never seen a good reason to leave.
3. I don't think it's necessary to resort to commenting on people's looks
4. We were given a vote - 1975
5. why do you think it's in their interests to make our country weak? If so they'd be encouraging us to go without a deal, which they are not.
6. Which politicians do you think are in the pocket of the globalist companies? Why do you think a deal with the USA would make this better?
7. Please tell me more about said 'ongoing process'
8. We are sovereign. We always were. This week has proved that...


There is no such thing as a clean break - if we leave with no deal it will be a disaster. Negotiations will continue for years, and let's face it, we haven't done too well so far
Vote leave lied and cheated. FACT - they were taken to court, found guilty and fined the maximum (paltry) amount they could be. THey dropped their appeal and paid their fine. Where's the democracy in that? The vote was narrow, they didn't need to persuade many people with their lies.
What about northern Ireland?
A lot of rich men are getting a lot richer every time the pound takes a dive and then recovers. Many of whom pay no tax to this country and in whose financial interest it is that we leave before January and the European tax directive becomes effective.

Am I a remoaner? A snowflake? if you like, I've been called worse. But I also detest liars and cheats that gave a decision that will ruin (and, yes, kill) people...

Out...