Prepping for Brexit thread

EachPenny

Goldiegirl wrote: »

I can't see anywhere that Honey Bear said that the French weren't going to sell to us

I'm not sure where 'French' came from, but how else would we have shortages of eggs unless someone refused to sell them to us (unlikely) or if the transport system completely failed (unlikely)?

Goldiegirl wrote: »

Not sure why we are obsessing about eggs here, unless its to avoid talking about other foodstuffs that that you mentioned.

Let's talk about the other foodstuffs then. Did you know the Dutch have developed a system to fast-track perishable goods through their ports?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46987471

The Dutch are also renowned world-wide experts in market gardening. If Spanish lettuces mysteriously cannot get through Calais, then why won't the Dutch be able to send us some through their ports?

Goldiegirl wrote: »

Your Leave voting preconceptions.

I understood this thread was meant to be non-political? Is it normal to accuse other posters of having 'preconceptions'?

Goldiegirl wrote: »

To keep it real we need to know what's going on

And we won't know what is going on if everyone's heads are being filled with misinformation.

cod3

Since deciding last week to start prepping, I have not felt down at all. Quite the opposite. I feel happy that I am taking a bit of control, albeit tiny in the grand scale of things. I didn't vote for this. My country didn't vote for this. It is an infuriating situation, but by prepping I feel I may be able to lessen any disruption to my household.

I work for a manufacturing company. A UK one that exports globally. We are already seeing the negative effects of Brexit so losing my job is a real possibility. Prepping for that too.

Goldiegirl

EachPenny wrote: »

I'm not sure where 'French' came from, but how else would we have shortages of eggs unless someone refused to sell them to us (unlikely) or if the transport system completely failed (unlikely)?


Let's talk about the other foodstuffs then. Did you know the Dutch have developed a system to fast-track perishable goods through their ports?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46987471

The Dutch are also renowned world-wide experts in market gardening. If Spanish lettuces mysteriously cannot get through Calais, then why won't the Dutch be able to send us some through their ports?


I understood this thread was meant to be non-political? Is it normal to accuse other posters of having 'preconceptions'?


And we won't know what is going on if everyone's heads are being filled with misinformation.

You mentioned French farmers in post 1426.

You are still not getting the point - it's doesn't matter if the produce is coming from France or the Netherlands. In 53 days time, if there a no deal Brexit, we're ripping up all our trade agreements, customs arrangements and treaties. It's not about where the container load comes from, it's about what happens when it gets here.

I wasn't accusing you of anything - I was trying to get to the bottom why you felt this was variously about the French not wanting to sell to us, or the U.K.not being able to cope when we leave the EU . the points being made are nothing to do with that - it's all about a no deal Brexit being almost certain in 53 days time.

what are you saying - anything that is uncomfortable for the group is 'misinformation' ?

gettingtheresometime

Goldiegirl wrote: »

To keep it real we need to know what's going on

Unfortunately I think that as no country has had the audacity to actual leave the EU before everyone, including politicians, are in uncharted waters.

I do agree with the posters who reckon there will be mutiny on mainland Europe if the EU doesn't come to some sort of arrangement with the U.K. but I think the waters will get a lot mudder before everything settles.....personally I don't expect a deal to be struck until the middle of March.

I do think there is an element of the population who would love there to be chaos as I think it would serve their argument to stay in the EU.....it struck me tonight if this country had put half the effort into making sure that Brexit was a success as it has done into arguing about it, these conversations wouldn't be taking place.

All we can do is prep in a way that we feel comfortable with.

EachPenny

Goldiegirl wrote: »

You mentioned French farmers in post 1426.

That was in a reply to MrsLurcherwalker, nothing to do with eggs, or Honey Bear (as per your post #1436)

Goldiegirl wrote: »

You are still not getting the point - it's doesn't matter if the produce is coming from France or the Netherlands. In 53 days time, if there a no deal Brexit, we're ripping up all our trade agreements, customs arrangements and treaties. It's not about where the container load comes from, it's about what happens when it gets here.

Absolutely. And that is the point people keep missing.

If we leave with no deal all the existing rules get ripped up. When whatever it is arrives in the UK then it is up to the UK Government to decide what to do with it. They could decide to examine each lettuce individually, or they could have a quick look to make sure no illegal immigrants are stowed away on board and wave the truck through.

That is the point being missed. Will the UK Government allow people to go short of fresh fruit and veg by examining each item, or will they do the obvious thing and wave the trucks through as quickly as possible?

The answer, quite obviously, is the trucks will be waved through, as was suggested months ago, and formally announced today:-
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-ports-eu-goods-customs-checks-calais-dover-hmrc-theresa-may-a8762591.html

So what are people worried about now?

Goldiegirl wrote: »

I wasn't accusing you of anything - I was trying to get to the bottom why you felt this was variously about the French not wanting to sell to us, or the U.K.not being able to cope when we leave the EU . the points being made are nothing to do with that - it's all about a no deal Brexit being almost certain in 53 days time.

I was trying to get to the bottom of why people were so concerned. We've got there now.

Goldiegirl wrote: »

what are you saying - anything that is uncomfortable for the group is 'misinformation' ?

Misinformation is information which isn't correct. There is a lot of correct information that people might find uncomfortable, but they shouldn't be worried about misinformation.

Goldiegirl

fuddle wrote: »

You underestimate your peers here Goldiegirl. Why, in your insular approach, do you think that because people won't get drawn into talking about what you want to talk about they're somehow ignorant about the issues surrounding Brexit?

You are not right with your insular views. I am fully supportive of you having and expressing your view but likewise you need to understand that, in order to have a debate, you need to spark interest, have worthy ideas, be interesting and listen to opposing views while using them to spark ideas for further debate.

What you're doing is trying goad and antagonise a response. Sadly, while doing this you're very dismissive of people's right to not engage and that results in you dismissing their point of view or insinuate they're ignorant to the effects of Brexit.

Eggs, for what it's worth, are incredibly important and wholly versatile. More talk about eggs I say!

I refrained from responding to your passive aggressive dig at me last week, but as you have decided to personally attack me, I will respond now.

This is an Internet forum - by its very nature, people will talk to each other, and express ideas, views and opinions.

We are all allowed to express our various opinions here.

I've observed that this is a very homely, inward looking, nostalgic vibe on this thread. I respect that people like to look back on what they feel was a golden time. However, this could easily be described as insular. I'm not sure how my wish to look at the bigger picture and how Brexit will affect the whole country could be described as insular.

How could you possibly presume to know what I think? I have never indicated that people on this thread are 'ignorant'. I do not think any such thing - that's you jumping to your own biased conclusion - that could be described as 'arrogance' on your part.

Just because you appear not to agree with what I am saying doesn't give you the right to dismiss me what I've said as 'not worthy'. Who are you to say I'm 'not right' - you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of - being dismissive. As for goading - that's exactly what you are doing, a personal attack often goads someone into an angry response, but unfortunately that doesn't work with me.

It's almost as if certain people think they own these threads. They don't, but, you'll be pleased to know that your attack has had the desired effect. I don't want to spend time with people who launch personal attacks, so I'm out of here.

Well done :T:T

EachPenny

fuddle wrote: »

Eggs, for what it's worth, are incredibly important and wholly versatile. More talk about eggs I say!

My gran always said "you can't beat an egg". Took me ages to realise she wasn't criticising my cooking skills. :)

(she was a poultry farmer and made sure to pass her skills on to us)

Nargleblast

We get eggs delivered by our milkman that are laid ten miles away. I am not saying they are big, but I bet those chickens' eyes water!

maryb

Do you keep hens now EachPenny?

EachPenny

Goldiegirl wrote: »

This is an Internet forum - by its very nature, people will talk to each other, and express ideas, views and opinions.

More specifically it is a money saving site. The primary purpose of which is to help people save money and share good advice.

With that comes a responsibility to think whether the advice being offered is beneficial to people, and avoid giving advice that may cause them unnecessary expense.

That's where the expression of "ideas, views and opinions" needs to be tempered with wisdom and understanding of how other people may react to what they read.

People who are genuinely worried about Brexit don't need to be worried further about things which aren't really a problem. And advice which might cost them money needs to explain just how much of a risk there might be.

For example, people reading that some of our electricity comes from the EU (nudge, nudge) might decide to buy a generator to make sure their freezer doesn't stop working. If there is no chance of powercuts then spending money on that generator will be an utter waste.

And in my view any advice given on this site - whether explicitly or implied - should never cause people to make bad decisions.

Goldiegirl wrote: »

How could you possibly presume to know what I think? I have never indicated that people on this thread are 'ignorant'. I do not think any such thing - that's you jumping to your own biased conclusion - that could be described as 'arrogance' on your part.

In light of that, could I politely suggest you review your third comment in post #1436.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/75417792#Comment_75417792