Prepping for Brexit thread

davenport151

stingey wrote: »

So I've been prepping since last year. Tinned veg/tomatoes, tinned fish, tinned soup, pasta, dried sauce packets, cereal, porridge, tea bags, coffee, diluting juice, chocolate toilet roll, soap, toothpaste, first-aid kit, paracetamol, candles, matches, torch, batteries, plug in non-wireless phone for the landline.



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Eh? chocolate toilet roll - have I missed something? I admit both chocolate and loo roll are very important but...

Lizling

maryb wrote: »

Lizling I read that briefing note and it confirmed what I had previously thought. We don’t have to impose eye wateringly high import tariffs on food as long as we lower them for everyone, EU countries and hired parties. The problem is the difficulties this would cause for domestic producers as we would have large imports of cheap food. However state subsidies would no longer be illegal in that case and the thinking is that there would be significant aid given to our own farmers

I agree with everything right up to the last sentence. We either have eye-wateringly high tariffs or our markets or are flooded and domestic suppliers suffer. That's because if we offer a good deal to one country because we need their vegetables/meat/goodwill, we also have to give that same deal to the entire world.

If you trust the government to use 100% of the tariffs raised to support domestic suppliers, then this isn't the place for me to try to convince you otherwise, but I'm afraid I don't share near that level of faith in our government.

[Deleted User]

But we'll be the idiots with tins that have already been paid for and not the idiot that is having to pay extra if prices go up!

silvasava

Lizling as far as I am aware when we leave the EU we should be free to set our own tariff rates for imports. As we are a bigger importer than exporter I'm sure that exporting countries do not want to lose their market with us. Food is already zero rated and most unlikely to change. We also already trade with other countries on WTO terms. I certainly wouldn't expect a government to apply 100 pct of the import duty received to go to domestic suppliers any more than I expect the road fund licence and tax on petrol going on our road infrastructure. Bye the way France has toll roads and trucks are not allowed to move over the weekend. Germany, Austria and Switzerland charge for foreign vehicles using their roads - maybe it's something this country should do?

Lizling

silvasava wrote: »

Lizling as far as I am aware when we leave the EU we should be free to set our own tariff rates for imports. As we are a bigger importer than exporter I'm sure that exporting countries do not want to lose their market with us. Food is already zero rated and most unlikely to change. We also already trade with other countries on WTO terms. I certainly wouldn't expect a government to apply 100 pct of the import duty received to go to domestic suppliers any more than I expect the road fund licence and tax on petrol going on our road infrastructure. Bye the way France has toll roads and trucks are not allowed to move over the weekend. Germany, Austria and Switzerland charge for foreign vehicles using their roads - maybe it's something this country should do?

When we leave we have to follow WTO terms until we have new trade deals in place. If we allow food in zero rated from Ireland or France for example, we have to do the same for China and the USA. Doing so would destroy our domestic production (and there's also the issue of differing safety standards.)

At the moment, we trade with China and the USA under WTO rules, which include, for example, a 36% tariff on imported dairy products.

Losing the UK as a market will hit us worse than the EU countries exporting to us. They're just losing one free-trade partner out of 28 and still have the negotiating power of a big trading bloc behind them. Bad new for them still, of course, especially Ireland.

The comment about returning 100% of the tariffs was in response to a previous post implying that food costs wouldn't rise because we'd be able to keep the tariffs instead of contributing them to the Brussels pot.

GreyQueen

RyanEzio wrote: »

Come March 30th... nothing will change. Buses will run, flights will run, trade will flow. If you're buying tinned items in for it... you really are an idiot

And you are ill-mannered, but I guess you are a victim of poor parenting and thus should not be blamed for your outburst?


FWIW, some of us here prep all the time, having been hit by illfortune in the form of chronic ill-health, redundancy, relationship breakdown, employers going out of business with no warning leaving wages unpaid.......... you'd be surprised at what life can deliver and you still have to eat, my friend. Peace. x

Honey_Bear

silvasava wrote: »

Lizling as far as I am aware when we leave the EU we should be free to set our own tariff rates for imports. As we are a bigger importer than exporter I'm sure that exporting countries do not want to lose their market with us. Food is already zero rated and most unlikely to change. We also already trade with other countries on WTO terms. I certainly wouldn't expect a government to apply 100 pct of the import duty received to go to domestic suppliers any more than I expect the road fund licence and tax on petrol going on our road infrastructure.

I'm not wanting to pick a fight here, but you are talking about three completely different things. In case anyone needs clarification, and without wanting to sound patronising, the basic differences are:

Tariffs are currently being talked about in terms of WTO terms. We can set our own import tariffs once we leave the EU, as can all other countries to which we export.

Food is zero-rated in terms of VAT and our government is free to set VAT rates at any percentage it wants. Anything that is zero-rated can have VAT set at a higher rate if the government so wishes, at any time. The only things that can't are Exempt, such as insurance, and the UK government is gradually increasing Insurance Premium Tax to the level of VAT.

Import Duty is separate again, and can be either Customs Duty or Excise Duty. In the Single Market neither are charged; they are only levied on imports from outside the EU. More information here.

We trade with very few countries on WTO terms; most of our trade is with countries with which we have a trade deal negotiated by the EU; most recently Japan and Singapore. With a lot of other countries, such as the USA, we often have trade arrangements that are favourable for both parties, even if not a free trade deal.

[Deleted User]

The most damaging thing about the prospect of Brexit is the in fighting that is occurring amongst us, if it does happen we'll need everyone working together to sort out as good a life as we can not divided camps each feeling that the others are indeed idiots for their views and the preparations they have made that seem sensible to them as individuals. Much more sensible to retain an open and tolerant mindset and IF we don't need the preps we've made who is going to be hurt by our having made them? If we DO need them well I for one won't see anyone go hungry if I have enough stocks to spare them some of my preps and if we have glitches with any of the utilities I will certainly invite neighbours in to be warm while we have the fuel to run the wood stove.What harm are preppers doing to any one else that raises such ire in some people?

Well_Preserved

You're quite right about the need to pull together, MrsLW. I struggle to recall a time with so much division. Im old enough to recall the issues round the miners'srtikes etc, but this seems to cut right across every grouping. The whole issue has been negative from the areferendum onwards. It's time for a bit more positivity and tbh there has been a fair bit of that on this thread. Long may that continue!

Vegastare

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

The most damaging thing about the prospect of Brexit is the in fighting that is occurring amongst us, if it does happen we'll need everyone working together to sort out as good a life as we can not divided camps each feeling that the others are indeed idiots for their views and the preparations they have made that seem sensible to them as individuals. Much more sensible to retain an open and tolerant mindset and IF we don't need the preps we've made who is going to be hurt by our having made them? ?

I must admit I hear comments from the public on news and Question Time and I go cold at there tone of responses, it has caused so much discontent within the country, it is like all filters have gone. Yes we all have are own opinions and the right to express them, but it is the vitriol.
I do have concerns about the prices after March 29th these are based again on my opinion only and gathered from friends and my trips overseas, I can't say I have heard comment on here or TV, but places like Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and even Australia etc have foods prices which are slightly and even greatly higher than ours.While my mind certainly is in turmoil when I think about it, at the end on the day all we can do is wait and see.