Prepping for Brexit thread

Goldiegirl

EachPenny wrote: »

The tyres you might need to buy will very likely be made in China, Korea, (a.n. other Far East country), India or Turkey. All will arrive in the UK in containers at deep sea container ports like Felixstowe or Southampton, having never touched EU soil.

What makes you think that tyres won't be 'easily available' post-Brexit?

All our trade deals are made as members of the EU - in the event of a no deal Brexit all of that stops, and we'd have to trade on WTO rules, meaning tariffs on everything and extra paper work. Extra paperwork could cause delays, and tariffs could mean that prices go up for the consumer.

codger

Living_proof wrote: »

My very first thought when I heard we were leaving the EU was 'oh God, not boring food again'. I remember well the time before the Common Market and food was indeed seasonal and extremely dull except for May to September when fruits and salad were in abundance.
Food in supermarkets was very expensive. Having just heard that all this B business might be delayed another year I am just about pulling my hair out

Refrigerated transport. Just In Time delivery. Information Technology in service of logistics. High-speed RORO freight at Channel Ports to double capacity and speed.

None of those had anything to do with "the Common Market" but everything to do with today's availability of internationally-sourced foodstuffs as compared to almost half a century ago. Even the trucks operated by French hauliers have more choice now than merely Michelin seeing as how two dozen brands (or more) are from the Far East and USA.

Bit of a surprise to check the opening post on this thread and discover it wasn't Monday October 22nd, 1962.

Honey_Bear

'As of 1 September 2008, Michelin is again the world's largest tyre manufacturer after spending two years as number two behind Bridgestone. Michelin produces tyres in France, Poland, Spain, Germany, the USA, the UK, Canada, Brazil, Thailand, Japan, Italy and several other countries.' (Source: Wikipedia)

So some of them are manufactured here, but at a rough guess due to where we are with negotiations we'll probably have to pay tariffs on 100% of imported rubber so prices would probably go up.

I'm not sure where the Michelin tyres currently imported into the UK are manufactured if we don't make enough for our own consumption. If we are trading on Withdrawal Agreement terms and they come from within the EU that would be relatively straightforward although at some point, such as when the Transition Period ends, there could well be delays importing them from Europe at the border when Customs checks will kick in. As yet, we don't even have that infrastructure, so if we don't get chaos in 9 weeks time, we'll probably get it on 1 January 2021.

If Parliament doesn't pass the Withdrawal Agreement, from 29 March it doesn't matter where they're manufactured - we'll be paying WTO tariffs on them both, rubber and manufactured tyres. Offhand I'm not sure which Schedules they'd come under and I haven't got the time to read any of them in detail, but I'm pretty sure it won't be 0% in either case.

Good call, Living Proof. I hadn't thought of getting our tyres checked to see if we're likely to need to replace them before 29 March. I'll do that next week.

I'd be interested to hear suggestions from anyone about products like tyres that are easily available and relatively cheap at the moment, but that haven't been mentioned so far on the Prepping Thread. It would be incredibly helpful to think about stocking up on those goods now, as food has been discussed in depth for 65 pages and we're all aware that we need pasta, tinned tomatoes and beans etc.

Time for me, at least, to move on to Prepping: The Next Level.

EachPenny

Farway wrote: »

Michelin, French Innit?:D;);)

Yes, 100% French :D

Someone wrote:

'As of 1 September 2008, Michelin is again the world's largest tyre manufacturer after spending two years as number two behind Bridgestone. Michelin produces tyres in France, Poland, Spain, Germany, the USA, the UK, Canada, Brazil, Thailand, Japan, Italy and several other countries.' (Source: Wikipedia)

Honey_Bear wrote: »

So some of them are manufactured here, but at a rough guess due to where we are with negotiations we'll probably have to pay tariffs on 100% of imported rubber so prices would probably go up.

Based on a presumption we aren't already paying WTO level tariffs on the imported rubber and that the tyre manufacturers don't absorb the cost increase themselves in what is a very competitive market.

People are overestimating the percentage of the World the EU has trading agreements with. They have only managed to make one with Japan very recently.... how did we cope with handling all the paperwork and tariffs on the Japanese imports before then?

Honey_Bear wrote: »

I'm not sure where the Michelin tyres currently imported into the UK are manufactured if we don't make enough for our own consumption.....

"All over the world" appears to be the answer, and Michelin are just one of a great many tyre manufacturers.

It is a given that the UK doesn't make enough tyres for our own consumption - they have been imported for years from manufacturers all around the globe, not all of which are in countries with trade agreements with the EU. Somehow we have managed to survive.

Everybody should check their tyres, and if close to the legal limit then replace them - but for safety reasons, not because of scaremongering about Brexit.

And since this is a money saving website, people should be aware that some unscrupulous people might tell you your tyres need replacing when they don't, or try to convince you to buy now because of Brexit shortages.

So get your tyres checked by someone you trust (personally I'd avoid tyre centres) and remember that any theoretical price increase post-Brexit is unlikely to cost you more than being conned into throwing away a perfectly serviceable set of tyres now.

richardw

Vegastare wrote: »

I am reversing the trend, I am setting up a boycot list.
....added to the list is a certain electrical applicance manufacturer...

I sold that vacuum cleaner on Schpock and bought a brand new John Lewis own brand one and had £10 in profit. The JL one is much better.

kah22

Whether I agree or disagree with either the leavers or remainers is irrelevant, they both put forward strong cases for leaving or staying

One point I can’t get my head around though is why are leavers and remainers so worked up about a second referendum?

The original question was: “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?” on the face of it a very simple question. The high and the mighty all jumped up and down shouting leave, remain; remain, leave. Maybe old age is catching up on me but I can’t recall that much discussion about all difficulties we’d face, about the money we agreeded to pay back, about a backstop and so on...

Now that most of the information is out there in public arena does it not make sense to say to the voters ‘you told us to leave the EU this is the deal we’ve reached do you want us to accept it, or reject it. If reject do you want us to stay or just walk away from the club and do our own thing?

silvasava

Cant see what the fuss is about trading on WTO rules - we already do it on a huge number of imports and exports and have done for umpteen years

Primrose

Quotient

One point I can’t get my head around though is why are leavers and remainers so worked up about a second referendum?

The original question was: “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?” on the face of it a very simple question. The high and the mighty all jumped up and down shouting leave, remain; remain, leave. Maybe old age is catching up on me but I can’t recall that much discussion about all difficulties we’d face, about the money we agreeded to pay back, about a backstop and so on..."

That is because when we had the referendum 40 years ago we voted on whether or not we wanted to join a European free trading area. The EU as it is now didn,t exist. Politically minded bureaucrats and others in Brussels have since that time subtly changed the rules into a tighter functioning bloc with new treaties and rules to which political leaders of both parties in this countries have signed us up.

We have never had referendums on each of those treaties as they have occurred so it is hardly surprising that half of the population think they were conned into the situation in which we now find ourselves.

Living_proof

EachPenny wrote: »

The tyres you might need to buy will very likely be made in China, Korea, (a.n. other Far East country), India or Turkey. All will arrive in the UK in containers at deep sea container ports like Felixstowe or Southampton, having never touched EU soil.

What makes you think that tyres won't be 'easily available' post-Brexit?

If there are long delays at ports, which I think is not contested, regardless whether they are smaller ones, then priority will be given to livestock. After that what makes you think the Customs will prioritise non-EU goods? There might be arrangements whereby fresh foods will be prioritised to avoid spoilage and shortages. I fear tyres will be at the back of the queue, so it would seem sensible to replace them before the end of March if they are coming up to their legal limits. If you want the full choice of tyres for your specific vehicle and competitively priced , you may want to consider those from Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and Czech Republic as well as the Asian ones.

I know very little about tyres but having just replaced some of my own, it struck me that because we import almost all our tyres then this is an area where it would be sensible to plan and act proactively.

Goldiegirl

silvasava wrote: »

Cant see what the fuss is about trading on WTO rules - we already do it on a huge number of imports and exports and have done for umpteen years

I think the problem is, in the event of a no deal Brexit, everything changing overnight, and we lose all the trade deals that we have and suddenly everything is on WTO rules. A change of that magnitude is bound to cause issues, problems and disruptions

Also, WTO is a baseline arrangement. If it was that good, everyone would trade solely on WTO rules. But no advanced economy trades solely on WTO alone - most countries have trade deals with other countries on better terms than WTO.

This is why a situation where trading on WTO alone is not desirable - not forgetting trade deals take years to negotiate. We'd be starting from zero.

I'm going to carry on prepping!