any advice for PIP assessment please thank you !?

poppy12345

NoodleSoup wrote: »

but i just cant help but wonder if this is why my appointment was cancelled and then re booked

I highly doubt that would be the reason. Assessments are canceled and re-booked all the time. Not just for PIP, for ESA too.


Even with the new ruling, the planning and following a journey won't apply to everyone with mental health.

eng_muffin

I've been assessed for PIP and ESA. It's been a while so I can't remember the exact wording, but the regulations say that if you state (on the form) you CAN do something (e.g. walk a certain distance), you are actually saying you can do it without any problem (it's phrased something like, an unlimited amount of times at any time with no discomfort--like I said I don't remember exactly, I advise checking yourself). It's something to bear in mind in your assessment if the form is discussed.

NoodleSoup

poppy12345 wrote: »

I highly doubt that would be the reason. Assessments are canceled and re-booked all the time. Not just for PIP, for ESA too.


Even with the new ruling, the planning and following a journey won't apply to everyone with mental health.

how do you know that for sure?

do you or do you know someone who works for Atos/Capita and/or the DWP?

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-u-turns-on-pip-mobility-rules-that-were-based-on-unsupported-opinions/

after reading that it looks like [because of the ruling given by the high court] the DWP now have to give more rather than fewer points to people with mental health issues who are unable to plan or undertake a journey

NoodleSoup

eng_muffin wrote: »

I've been assessed for PIP and ESA. It's been a while so I can't remember the exact wording, but the regulations say that if you state (on the form) you CAN do something (e.g. walk a certain distance), you are actually saying you can do it without any problem (it's phrased something like, an unlimited amount of times at any time with no discomfort--like I said I don't remember exactly, I advise checking yourself). It's something to bear in mind in your assessment if the form is discussed.

thank you eng_muffin i will bear this in mind

poppy12345

NoodleSoup wrote: »

how do you know that for sure?

do you or do you know someone who works for Atos/Capita and/or the DWP?

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-u-turns-on-pip-mobility-rules-that-were-based-on-unsupported-opinions/

after reading that it looks like [because of the ruling given by the high court] the DWP now have to give more rather than fewer points to people with mental health issues who are unable to plan or undertake a journey

For your info, no i do NOT work for any of those and no i don't know anyone that works for them either!



The reason i said that was because you hear people moaning about canceled appointments many times. It's happened to me for PIP and ESA more than once.


You seem to think you know everything there is to know about the PIP descriptors, so on that note i'll end here and wish you good luck with your PIP claim.

NoodleSoup

poppy12345 wrote: »

For your info, no i do NOT work for any of those and no i don't know anyone that works for them either!



The reason i said that was because you hear people moaning about canceled appointments many times. It's happened to me for PIP and ESA more than once.


You seem to think you know everything there is to know about the PIP descriptors, so on that note i'll end here and wish you good luck with your PIP claim.

im just stating what has already been reported by many [radio/other online media etc]

also you give the impression that you already knew all about the high court ruling and you also give the impression that you think if atos/capita/the dwp are still assessing folks with mental health issues the old way then that is ok for them to do that

poppy12345

NoodleSoup wrote: »

im just stating what has already been reported by many [radio/other online media etc]

also you give the impression that you already knew all about the high court ruling and you also give the impression that you think if atos/capita/the dwp are still assessing folks with mental health issues the old way then that is ok for them to do that

Yes the UTT ruling isn't something new and i already knew about that. As did other regular posters on here.



No where in any of my comments have i stated that it's ok for people to be assessed using the old descriptors for following and planning a journey. I have no idea if the old or new descriptors are being used when assessing people.


My daughter claims PIP for mental health and scored 12 points in following and planning a journey but psychological distress isn't the reasons she doesn't go out alone.

NoodleSoup

poppy12345 wrote: »

I think you've scored yourself extremely high, and still don't fully understand what the descriptors mean. You're interpretation of the physical/mobility part of the descriptors are incorrect.



I totally understand what anxiety is and how it affects people. My daughter suffers with this alongside a learning disability and Autism. I know you can't compare 2 people but the amount of support that she needs to get through each day is a lot.



She's never been out alone and doesn't even have the capacity to even count her own money. She has 100% support at college and also has a Support Worker from social services 3 days per week. She gets anxiety when she goes out and has problems breathing because of it BUT because her physical condition is fine, she can walk perfectly and has no issues what so ever with anything physical. I wouldn't have even dreamed of trying to claim for the moving around part because she simply wouldn't have scored those points.



Managing therapy, as i stated in a previous comment, you won't score those points unless the therapy is done at home. If you go outside for the therapy appointments then you'll score nothing and the most you can score for this will be 1 point.



You should answer those questions truthfully and honestly and not base your assessment on your worst day, if that's not what it is. Whatever others have told you, they're wrong to advice that you do this. If you do this the HCP will see through you and you won't score those points. PIP is about how you are 50% and is about your good days and bad days.



Good luck.

yes you should never ever compare the two but honestly i think you have compared me and your daughter

i also feel you think
because
i do not need to use such things as hand rails to help me on and off of the toilet also to help me in and out of the bath as well as specially adapted taps
i am not ''disabled'' enough for PIP
[you also asked me in a previous post of yours if i need to use any of those things]

and i have stated in a previous post that i DO use theraphys at home such as a dosette box for my medication which i need my home support carer to remind me to take daily.

I also use other things such as a long handled sponge/brush to apply body cream to my feet, legs, back and arms because moving and bending over could trigger and bring on a acid reflux attack
[i use a similar object to help me wash myself in the bath and shower]
i also call helplines yes i admit i call the samaritans when i feel really down and i feel very selfish doing so because i do not feel worthy of any help.
I also call insight regular to check they still have me on the waiting list which i have been on since January.

Also when i am depressed or have very bad anxiety or both i write things down, i do art, i have a breathing app on my phone to help me breathe proper and i also play solitaire on my phone.
All of these i do from home and i have been encouraged to do them all by my Dr, community link worker as well as family and friends.

Just because i do not have a social worker, someone to help me count my money, handrails to help me out around the house, specially adapted cutlery, plates, cups and adapted taps in the bathroom and kitchen does not mean i am not physically affected by my depression and anxiety at all.
Also it does not mean i do not use theraphys at home to help manage the symptoms because i do.

so as i stated the things i have been advised to do should be taken into account because they do help the symptoms

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also Last December the High Court ruled that the Department of Work and Pensions policy in certain parts of PIP had been "blatantly discriminatory against those with mental health impairments."

they [Atos/Capita/the DWP] could still be using the old guidance to assess people and that is in fact wrong and illegal because of the ruling by high court 6/7 months ago

poppy12345

I never said you weren't disabled enough for PIP! I never compared you to my daughter, i was purely giving that as an example because "moving around" descriptor will only apply to those with a physical disability.



I will make no further comments on this and i wish you good luck.

Ames

NoodleSoup wrote: »

true

but i just cant help but wonder if this is why my appointment was cancelled and then re booked It's not. The people going back over old claims aren't the same people that are doing face to face assessments. They're not even the same company. Your appointment was cancelled because they simply can't recruit enough people to do them. Their workloads are high, and one person going on sick just can't be covered without cancellations.

also the court ruling that has been set by the high courts since jan 2018 [6 months ago] and the fact the the DWP will not be appealing against the ruling does this not make any assessment with the old way now illegal? I'm not sure you fully understand the ruling. It relates to one descriptor only, the mobility one. It doesn't say that the whole process discriminates against mentally ill people. It just means that they have to take out the 'for reasons other than mental distress' words. It's very specific.

because they should now be assessing anyone with mental health issues the new way It's not actually a 'new' way. It's the old way. At some point they added the words 'for reasons other than mental distress', those words have been taken out again. because of the new high court ruling so that really should flow in line with anyone who now makes a new claim with mental health issues [listen to the program they explain it much better they also have 2 experts talking on there a disability rights worker Ed Piper and baroness Ros Altmann] Anyone who has mental health problems which mean they meet that descriptor should get points for that now, that's all it means. It doesn't mean that all mental health claims are treated differently.

kinda makes sense why the DWP would want to drag their feet [typical] with it maybe they hoping that anyone who has applied and already been assessed [the old way] maybe even been reassessed [the new way] then applied for a MR then maybe even gone onto tribunal will end up giving up because its a massive mess by the DWP I'm not sure what you're getting at. The DWP have to look again at all the decisions affected by this ruling. It doesn't benefit them to not apply the 'new' rule, because it's just creating more work for them.
and yes it is a mess
but it still does not make it legal
it is in fact illegal after the high court has ordered it so they now have to put it into practice [or at least keep the finger on the pulse to be seen that they do intend to get the wheels in motion to get the back log sorted and then able to push through any new claims easier and quicker] because it is now the law.

so at my assessment i might ask if it is going to be the old type of assessment or the new one and if it is the old one i might ask if that is even legal There is no old or new assessment. There is a change in the way the descriptors are applied. That doesn't change the face to face assessment, it changes how a decision maker looks at the case and applies the law.

and yes we are aware the new reform have cut jobs in the DWP
but makes you think why is that?
why did the gov do that? To save money.
we think it is because they want to make it as hard as possible for anyone who makes a claim for PIP

NoodleSoup wrote: »

yes you should never ever compare the two but honestly i think you have compared me and your daughter

i also feel you think
because
i do not need to use such things as hand rails to help me on and off of the toilet also to help me in and out of the bath as well as specially adapted taps
i am not ''disabled'' enough for PIP
[you also asked me in a previous post of yours if i need to use any of those things] Standard questions for people asking for advice on PIP. If we're going to give proper advice we need an idea of what the problems are. There's no point us giving loads of info on all possible descriptors when most won't apply to any individual.

and i have stated in a previous post that i DO use theraphys at home such as a dosette box for my medication That's not therapy as such. That qualifies for one point in the managing therapy descriptor. which i need my home support carer to remind me to take daily.

I also use other things such as a long handled sponge/brush to apply body cream to my feet, legs, back and arms because moving and bending over could trigger and bring on a acid reflux attack
[i use a similar object to help me wash myself in the bath and shower]
i also call helplines yes i admit i call the samaritans when i feel really down and i feel very selfish doing so because i do not feel worthy of any help.
I also call insight regular to check they still have me on the waiting list which i have been on since January. Phoning to check you're still on a waiting list doesn't fit any descriptors.

Also when i am depressed or have very bad anxiety or both i write things down, i do art, i have a breathing app on my phone to help me breathe proper and i also play solitaire on my phone.
All of these i do from home and i have been encouraged to do them all by my Dr, community link worker as well as family and friends. I'm not sure how you think any of these apply to PIP descriptors?

Just because i do not have a social worker, someone to help me count my money, handrails to help me out around the house, specially adapted cutlery, plates, cups and adapted taps in the bathroom and kitchen does not mean i am not physically affected by my depression and anxiety at all.
Also it does not mean i do not use theraphys at home to help manage the symptoms because i do.

so as i stated the things i have been advised to do should be taken into account because they do help the symptoms I'm not sure they count as therapy though. Points for mental health are usually given for needing prompting or supervision to do activities.

...

also Last December the High Court ruled that the Department of Work and Pensions policy in certain parts of PIP had been "blatantly discriminatory against those with mental health impairments." In one very specific part of PIP, not the whole benefit or assessment.

they [Atos/Capita/the DWP] could still be using the old guidance to assess people and that is in fact wrong and illegal because of the ruling by high court 6/7 months ago No, they won't be. And it's not the assessor, it's the decision maker, who has their job affected by the ruling.

I think you really need to do more research into PIP and what the descriptors mean. Or you're going to go to the assessment and give a load of irrelevant information. In fact, I can see your claim going all the way to tribunal and you having the same problem - you'll say a lot of stuff that doesn't have any relevance and not get the benefit because you've missed out lots of information that the people making the decision need.


I don't work for the DWP/Atos/Capita, and I don't know anyone who does. My knowledge comes from personal experience and reading the news.