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Given most (if not all) police cars have cameras mounted, I would imagine it would be easy for the police to show OP going through with their light on green. Even going through on amber is dangerous unless you'd cause an accident by braking
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AndyMc..... wrote: »But it’s how the court system works, innocent until proven guilty.
Proven guilty "beyond reasonable doubt".
The prosecution would challenge this defence by (1) providing evidence that no fault had been reported and/or (2) calling expert evidence of how the system works.
The costs of any expert witness would fall to the defendant if/when the magistrates decided there was no reasonable doubt.0 -
Even going through on amber is dangerous unless you'd cause an accident by braking
You can't cause an accident by braking like that. The person who hit you caused the accident by tailgating.
You're allowed to go through on amber if you would be unable to safely stop in time, not in case an idiot is tailgating you.0 -
Proven guilty "beyond reasonable doubt".
The prosecution would challenge this defence by (1) providing evidence that no fault had been reported and/or (2) calling expert evidence of how the system works.
The costs of any expert witness would fall to the defendant if/when the magistrates decided there was no reasonable doubt.
For a red light pull the other one. :rotfl:
Dependant on the junction it may be very easy to defend but without further details no one can say.0 -
AndyMc..... wrote: »For a red light pull the other one. :rotfl:
Dependant on the junction it may be very easy to defend but without further details no one can say.
Why not for red light? They've done it with speeding. Dr Ian Fielding got slapped with IIRC a £10k bill plus his own legal costs of around the same fighting a (what was then) £60 speeding fine.
Like I said earlier it's often pragmatic just to take a course, if offered, or the fixed penalty.0 -
You can't cause an accident by braking like that. The person who hit you caused the accident by tailgating.
You're allowed to go through on amber if you would be unable to safely stop in time, not in case an idiot is tailgating you.
Not quite. The law actually refers to "any vehicle which is so close to the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond the stop line".
Whether you could stop safely depends on the reactions of the idiot behind. As he's (probably) a complete stranger, you can't know his abilities and may be tempted to err on the side of caution. Are you aware of any case law on the subject?
Having said that, a "careful and competent" driver would already have slowed down to deal with the tailgater, and in anticipation of the lights changing.
If only we were all perfect ...0 -
I can see the police spending a lot of time & money defending their claim that the OP went through a red light.AndyMc..... wrote: »For a red light pull the other one.
If they didn't, it could open the floodgates for many other drivers to dispute offences such as running red lights, dangerous or careless driving, using handheld mobile phones whilst driving etc where the police don't have any recorded evidence but rely solely on what one or more officers claim to have seen.
I could be seen driving like a total idiot and get off simply by stating that the policeman who saw me was mistaken.0 -
go over to peppipoo and ask there in the Speeding and Criminal Offences section. You have to register, and can't do so with a hotmail or disposable email address.
I suspect they will suggest taking the course.I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
(except air quality and Medical Science
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shaun_from_Africa wrote: »I can see the police spending a lot of time & money defending their claim that the OP went through a red light.
If they didn't, it could open the floodgates for many other drivers to dispute offences such as running red lights, dangerous or careless driving, using handheld mobile phones whilst driving etc where the police don't have any recorded evidence but rely solely on what one or more officers claim to have seen.
I could be seen driving like a total idiot and get off simply by stating that the policeman who saw me was mistaken.
Like I said it depends on the road lay out. How much of your money would you want them to throw at it if the officer couldn’t physically see the red light?0 -
This is a very rough diagram sorry for the poor drawing lol
I am the blue blob and the officer is the green
red lines are lights
Black arrows outlining which direction traffic flows0
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