Asda Car parking ticket

marleyboy

goshdarnit To be fair, the OP is the only one facing a £50 penalty for being ignorant, and that is pretty stupid, so why should Novablack NEED to raise that with me. bookemdano or CHRISSYG.

I would appreciate it if you keep me out of your little tantrum, just because the majority here dont appear to approve with your decision, there is no need to go around taking it out on everybody else. Like you say, its upto the OP to decide wether to pay the penalty or risk the fine. Its certainly not me and more certainly not you.

I personally dont agree with you, but that doesnt mean I have anything personal against you. But I do have something against the way your portraying yourself on this thread.

daisy_doughnut_2

does this play ground ever shut :rolleyes:
maybe some of you ought to think ablout a political career..... maybe?

NovaBlack_2

Bamber19 wrote: »

It's not right for them to then just make up a figure 50x that and say you owe them that now.

lol selective vision is great. choose not to see the "you will be fined £50 if you do not pay and display signs" when you consciously risk parking without a ticket, then you can claim they 'just make up a figure 50x that and say you owe them that now'. hmm wierd.

anyway.. as ive already said a million times, PLEASE its just common sense. if there are signs up saying youl get fined if you dont pay and display heres a great moneysaving tip, pay the £1 , get it refunded and NEVER GET INTO THE SITUATION where you may or may not have to pay a £50 fine.

Bamber19

NovaBlack wrote: »

lol selective vision is great. choose not to see the "you will be fined £50 if you do not pay and display signs" when you consciously risk parking without a ticket, then you can claim they 'just make up a figure 50x that and say you owe them that now'. hmm wierd.

anyway.. as ive already said a million times, PLEASE its just common sense. if there are signs up saying youl get fined if you dont pay and display heres a great moneysaving tip, pay the £1 , get it refunded and NEVER GET INTO THE SITUATION where you may or may not have to pay a £50 fine.

Jeez, again you've missed the point, that being that the £50 figure is just made up, it could just as easily have been £100, £100, £100,000. It is a MADE UP FIGURE(I thought you'd like that formatting) in the SENSE of, where is the justification in ARRIVING at that figure when ahd you not been in breach of contract they would have earned £1 from you, not £50?

You love to harp on about common sense, but a bit of that would have told you the meaning behind my post would most likely be as above, as opposed to your interpretation. Once again, you cannot add a punitive charge in to the contract as a punishment for breach of contract.

It mgith be best for you just to accept that you have an opinion that conflicts with the law and therefore your input is of no help to the OP whatsoever unless you want to qualify everything that you say with "but this doesn't matter because the law says otherwise, ignore me please."

d123

NovaBlack wrote: »

lol selective vision is great. choose not to see the "you will be fined £50 if you do not pay and display signs" when you consciously risk parking without a ticket, then you can claim they 'just make up a figure 50x that and say you owe them that now'. hmm wierd.

anyway.. as ive already said a million times, PLEASE its just common sense. if there are signs up saying youl get fined if you dont pay and display heres a great moneysaving tip, pay the £1 , get it refunded and NEVER GET INTO THE SITUATION where you may or may not have to pay a £50 fine.

Have you actually read through this thread in full?

ASDA or their agents, or ANY parking firm CANNOT fine a person for anything. You cannot be fined for parking in a supermarket car park!
They can only issue an invoice for a supposed breach of contract, and only to the driver of the vehicle who they have to find before proceeding, and the Registered Keeper doesn't have to help them do so either.

Why is it so hard for people to realise the difference between what a Council or the Police or their agents can do, and what private companies can do?

Come on, you might have a dislike for what the OP did, but don't let that cloud your judgement or reasoning.

Bamber19

Exactly, it's analogous with reclaiming bank charges, the punitive charges are included in the contract but as punitive charges that don't seek to redress the situation that arises from the breach of contract they are unenforceable or illegal. I don't agree with people reclaiming from a moral point of view but i'd be an absolute idiot and incredibly unhelpful if someone had posted "Can i reclaim my bank charges?" over on the relevant board and i'd replied "NO, just pay the charges and learn your lesson" Gee, I might call their wife an idiot aswell just for good measure.

Taffyscot

I am with you Sim I think it is scandalous to give her a ticket under the circumstances. A plonker was writing out a ticket for us in England cos we were over the time limit in a handicapped parking lot and I got there on time and my handicapped husband with Parkinson's and walking with 2 elbow crutches was late and was hobbling along as fast as he could. He still fined us and I wrote a stinking letter to the county council of that borough and got it cancelled. We don't always have change you know. We went to a restaurant attached to a hotel on Sunday and it said pay for parking and after you have eaten take the receipt to the parking booth to be refunded. Well guess what? We only wanted to look what the prices were like and what the menu was like first? So we didn't go there rather than pay and find out we didn't like the prices or the food. For goodness sake you lot chill out he is asking for advice not for ridicule.
Taffy

NovaBlack_2

d123 wrote: »

Have you actually read through this thread in full?

ASDA or their agents, or ANY parking firm CANNOT fine a person for anything. You cannot be fined for parking in a supermarket car park!
They can only issue an invoice for a supposed breach of contract, and only to the driver of the vehicle who they have to find before proceeding, and the Registered Keeper doesn't have to help them do so either.

Why is it so hard for people to realise the difference between what a Council or the Police or their agents can do, and what private companies can do?

Come on, you might have a dislike for what the OP did, but don't let that cloud your judgement or reasoning.

well apologies to anyone if i have stated anything i perhaps shouldn't . As i have said i probably agree that legally there is some ambiguity as to wether these charges are enforceable, but others have shown some cases where debts HAVE been chased. Its really up to the OP to decide wheter or not to play russian roulette with the debt. It sounds more likely they will be fine though, but there is a risk.

Again, i was only stating my opinion. so i should have made that clearer. All i was trying to put into debate was that i think some people are giving a hard time to the supermarkets here.

I know you feel the £50 figure is unjustifiable and impossible to calculate, but then again that level of charge seems to tally in nicely with similar levels of charge everywhere else for a similar incident. (and yes i know like you say legally it isnt a fine so perhaps they cant force anyone to pay, but there is a risk , although minute, shown in some cases).

Again it is just my opinion that they probably arrive at the £50 figure in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as EVERYONE else who charges a similar figure for parking without consent when pre-warned. i mean there must be SOME way to calculate the figure as that figure seems to be used commonly, (or a figure in the same ball park £40 - £70) as opposed to a fine of £100,000.

My main point wasnt whether £50 is enforceable legally, (as there appears to be a fairly good case here) but i was just stating my opinion that i felt perhaps some people were bending the facts to make it sound almost like the supermarkets came up with the figure after the 'incident' had taken place by a car owner. Like they doing something sneaky and underhand, which, in my opinion, i feel they are not.

Genuine Apologies if i took what you said the wrong way. i merely thought that it was an important point to make that the charge was pre-determined, so the supermarkets werent making up any figure afterwards. (hehe they make up a figure with plenty of pre-warning...:rotfl: )

The easy thing i can see about why companies CANT charge £100,000 fines, is that quite simply, would you risk parking in a car park with that fine? I know i wouldnt touch it. Id look at the pay n display signs, curse , and turn my car around n leave. In my opinion(neither right or wrong) its all about risk management. I dont think they'd get a single customer with fines like that.

I kinda see £50 as a good figure... if a penalty was only say £10 then people would just chance it and mis-use the car park, as they figure oh well if i get a way with it twice if saved the charge anyway! (as they save high street parking which is EXPENSIVE!) A £50 fine, since clearly labeled and signposted on warnings, is a deterrant, and a GOOD one, without, in my opinion, being unnessecarily harsh. I think if you polled most people they would agree (although i could be wrong!) that a £50 fine is an acceptable risk when parking, as most people believe (rightly) that if they pay the price of a ticket they will not have to worry about it. And i think most people , myself included, that do ever decide to dodge the fee, think.. you know what.. fair game.. i risked it n got caught, a £50 charge seems fair..

At the end of the day i kinda see it as a necessary evil that means that when i, a genuine customer, go to my supermarket, i know there will be a space i can park in, to save me lugging my shopping for half a mile down the road. I guess its all about personal preference. Id rather see these charges be given legal status, than taken away. I mean they cant ever catch me out, ill just pay the charge, get it refunded and hey presto. if they dont refund it i shop at a supermarket that does. if i dont have change i curse and swear but then calm down say 'oh well its my own fault, ill get some essentials from the local newsagent and ill come back in a couple days'

Anyway Apologies again if i offended anyone, or if you took me to be saying i was legally correct on this. I just thought it was a welcome topic worthy of debate as part of the issue at hand.



lol just as a random side isue, what would happen if i went n parked a caravan on a morrissons car park, didnt pay any tickets n decided to live there permanently? lol. close to town, nice location, supermarket nearby hahahaha:rotfl: :rotfl: :beer:

i mean they cant charge me for anythin right? sounds like a good deal!
Although i can see how theyd be annoyed if half their carpark got taken up by 50 or so travelling nomads who decided to camp up there for a week.

We should have an MSE meet n camp out there! BBQs campfires marshmallows!

marleyboy

marleyboy

This might just help clarify what the risks are for non payment http://www.blaby.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/transport-and-streets/motor-vehicles--roads-and-parking/parking/parking-fines/ ......and that it is indeed commonly known as a "fine".