Road test ... no tax. Help please.

n217970

Cinders2001 wrote: »

The car in question has just and I mean just, gone through the MOT with no advisories.

There had been two advisories outstanding when he bought the car in October and he’s had all that done.

Totally new exhaust, new tyres, done on top of the advisories.

Reason for selling is that the car is that it’s too big for his wife (she is a short lady I met her).
It unnerved her so it has to go.

Or, during the repairs he has found something he doesn't like the look of which is not subject to the MOT and is shifting the problem on. Or, he is buying cars, fixing them, selling them without the hassle of being a "trader"

Are we talking £500, £5000, £50000? If we are talking low value I would be more inclined to take a punt.

AndyMc.....

PhilStation wrote: »

8 years experience in motor insurance tells me that.

If your car is insured but not taxed, the only way you can drive it on the road is to an MOT testing station. Anything else would be outside the terms of the policy.

8 years in a call centre with little or no idea of what you’re doing?

Norman_Castle

EssexExile wrote: »

Both, driving uninsured & permitting.

Who would be responsible for using the car while sorned, the driver or owner/keeper.

Penalties for uninsured driving are separate.

Mercdriver

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Who would be responsible for using the car while sorned, the driver or owner/keeper.

Penalties for uninsured driving are separate.

But driver and keeper would still be liable if stopped by the police. Still more than I would risk. Driving without insurance is painful since it stops you from hiring cars from mainstream rental companies and also whacks up your insurance too.

Norman_Castle

Mercdriver wrote: »

But driver and keeper would still be liable if stopped by the police.

Forget insurance! Who is liable for using a sorned car, the owner/keeper or driver?

Mercdriver

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Forget insurance! Who is liable for using a sorned car, the owner/keeper or driver?

Are you suggesting that the way out of insuring your car is to sorn it and drive it while sorned? Sounds very unlikely to me. Can't see driving a sorned car making you untouchable for insurance offences.

Herzlos

Cinders2001 wrote: »

Reason for selling is that the car is that it!!!8217;s too big for his wife (she is a short lady I met her).
It unnerved her so it has to go.

That's a pretty common excuse for a trader-pretending-to-be-private seller. If it was too big for the wife, why'd he buy it? Why is he selling it 4 months later? How big is the car?

It's good that it's passed an MOT, so it's probably fairly safe, but there's still the concern that there's something else up with it.
If it's passed an MOT, and he's had it since October, why is it SORN? Has it been off the road the whole time?

I'd be skeptical here; get it looked at by a trusted mechanic, get the owner to tax it so you can test it, and/or walk away and find a car that doesn't sound suspicious.

What's the car anyway? Is there something unique about this that's encouraging you to waste time / take a risk on it?

Paradigm

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Forget insurance! Who is liable for using a sorned car, the owner/keeper or driver?

What are the vehicle tax requirements?
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It is the responsibility of the vehicle keeper to ensure that their vehicle is properly taxed. The vehicle keeper must:


!!!61623; make sure the duty is paid; or


!!!61623; make a Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN) if the vehicle is kept off the public road.


For offences identified from on road sightings

[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Where an untaxed vehicle is identified as being used or kept on the public road the following enforcement action may be taken:


!!!61623; DVLA will issue an Out of Court Settlement (OCS) letter and failure to pay may result in the registered keeper being prosecuted. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

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Norman_Castle

Mercdriver wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the way out of insuring your car is to sorn it and drive it while sorned?

No, I,m asking who is responsible for using a sorned car, the owner/keeper or driver.
Presumably you understand insurance and ved are not the same thing. The question relates to ved, not insurance.

I suspect the keeper is responsible and not the driver so the op would not be penalised for using a sorned car but the owner could be.

Car_54

Norman_Castle wrote: »

No, I,m asking who is responsible for using a sorned car, the owner/keeper or driver.
Presumably you understand insurance and ved are not the same thing. The question relates to ved, not insurance.

I suspect the keeper is responsible and not the driver so the op would not be penalised for using a sorned car but the owner could be.

Both are committing an offence: one for keeping and one for using an untaxed vehicle. "If a person uses, or keeps, a vehicle which is unlicensed he is guilty of an offence." [Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (2(1))]