How to solve the NHS funding crisis

PokerPlayer111

westernpromise wrote: »

Just give everyone 3 GP visit vouchers per annum. After you've used them you have to pay for further visits.

I'd like to see something like this, not sure on specifics but people do need to self treat many basic things. Many things you can treat yourself naturally or just living healthier or just waiting some time. Its a hard thing to learn though and when you get some random health problem come along its confusing at times.

Pennywise

antrobus wrote: »

Some GP services are provided by the private sector. Most are public sector.

No, the vast majority of GP surgeries are private businesses owned/managed by the GP partners. Yes, the financing comes mostly from the NHS, but the practices themselves are legally private partnership businesses. The GP partners can arrange their practice to make more profits by efficiency etc as long as they work within the NHS framework. As an accountant, I have lots of GP practice clients so part of my job is to prepare their accounts and tax returns etc.

Lornapink

There is no such destination as a 'solved' NHS.
If you increase funding, demand will always catch-up, even more so in the presence of mass immigration.

Lornapink

Corbynista always cite Scandinavia as socialism in action. Is it though?

Corporate tax rates in Scandinavia compare favourably with those of overtly capitalist countries. Sweden and Denmark's are among the lowest in the EU 15, while Finland's, at 20 per cent, is on a par with Britain

In the 1970s, the size of the Swedish state began to expand in earnest under successive socialist governments. Punitive taxation, prompted a mass exodus of wealthy citizens and entrepreneurs, including, famously, the filmmaker Ingmar Bergman and IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprad.
In Sweden 20% of public hospital care & 30% of public primary care was provided by private companies, compared with around 6% in Britain.

https://capx.co/scandinavia-is-no-socialist-valhalla/

lisyloo

Of course that happens. Medical negligence is a fact of life.

You are all talking as if a cancer diagnosis is a simple black and white matter for an ordinary family GP. That's a long way from the truth.

Comms69

antrobus wrote: »

Some GP services are provided by the private sector. Most are public sector.

That is totally incorrect. the VAST majority - in excess of 97% are provided by private businesses.


VERY few GPs are employed directly by the NHS.

Chrysalis

I think this thread is a duplicate of the other NHS thread we have going, and I dont think I have the energy to dupicate everything I am saying in both.

My short answer is a combination of increased funding (yes more taxes people, deal with it) and a rehaul of how the NHS operates.

I think unions have got too powerful in the NHS, some of the demands from employees seem ridiculous, too much paperwork, red tape etc. Plus general inefficiencies like e.g. GPs have to wait for blood results from hospitals, GPs having no xray equipment, excessive admin, nurse staff etc.

Chrysalis

Comms69 wrote: »

The issue is that services are used most often when young and when old. Aged around 18-45 most people will not use either GP or ED even once per year.


So giving vouchers just doesn't work. In fact the whole premise doesn't work.


You want to fix the NHS? look after yourself, eat healthy, exercise, stop smoking, cut down on drinking. That's it.

If only life was that simple, people have died in their sleep in their 40s who dont drink or smoke and have a healthy lifestyle.

My dad smokes heavily, drank lots of beer, and ate fatty foods yet he is in his 70s and healthier than me in my 30s. I dont smoke or drink.

I dont like it when people play the blame game to try and blame individuals for a public service.

Comms69

Chrysalis wrote: »

If only life was that simple, people have died in their sleep in their 40s who dont drink or smoke and have a healthy lifestyle.

My dad smokes heavily, drank lots of beer, and ate fatty foods yet he is in his 70s and healthier than me in my 30s. I dont smoke or drink.

I dont like it when people play the blame game to try and blame individuals for a public service.

Anecdotal evidence is ofcourse somewhat relevant, but I'm talking about the big picture.


There was no 'blame', it's just a fact. Lifestyle does affect people's health.


I'm not saying you, Chrysalis, are to blame. But if you, and 99,999 other people lead a healthy lifestyle, a significant number of those people will be saving resources for the NHS.


You don't have to do it, I don't care. But prevention is better than the cure; and prevention is the model health services are looking towards.

Comms69

Chrysalis wrote: »

I think this thread is a duplicate of the other NHS thread we have going, and I dont think I have the energy to dupicate everything I am saying in both.

My short answer is a combination of increased funding (yes more taxes people, deal with it) and a rehaul of how the NHS operates.

I think unions have got too powerful in the NHS, some of the demands from employees seem ridiculous, too much paperwork, red tape etc. Plus general inefficiencies like e.g. GPs have to wait for blood results from hospitals, GPs having no xray equipment, excessive admin, nurse staff etc.

I'm sorry, because you're entitled to an opinion, but you're totally misguided in your thought process.


Unions play VERY little role in how the NHS operates. Guess what? most people don't want to be cleaning up blood, p*ss and sh*t for £24,000 a year, oh whilst their kids are asleep at home, waiting for father Christmas to deliver their gifts.


You know who has the power in the NHS, the staff. Because frankly you need them a lot more than they need you! There isn't a magic shop where you can order 2,000 nurses, 17 surgeons and a half dozen ophthalmologists.


To run an x-ray department you need the capital to set it up, included speciality lining to rooms, distance from other areas and the equipment itself. Then you hire a radiographer (at £30k per year) to do how many x-rays a week? one of the biggest local surgeries has 15,000 patients registered, how many of those do you think will need a routine x ray which can be treated thereafter outside of hospital. 10%? 1-2 a day? I'm being very much overly generous.


- same argument for blood test, just fyi.


Would love to think which admin you think is excessive? Is it the team that does the buying of products? the one paying the wages? the one perhaps updating records?


first time I've heard criticism of nurse staff as a group, but I think that sums up your knowledge of the NHS....