How to solve the NHS funding crisis

Comms69

Malthusian wrote: »

This will always be the case regardless of how much money you shovel into the NHS. - indeed, but the poorer are more likely to not pay it. So when it comes to treatment, it's costing £10,000, rather than £100 for a prescription...

How would you create a system in which people got unhealthier the more money they had? Spray virulent bacteria around Waitrose? Punishment beatings for anyone above the higher rate tax threshold? - uhm that's not what I said...



Everyone in this country, including the poor, can afford £10 for a GP appointment. - Depends on a huge number of factors. But no, not everyone can afford it.

Personally however I don't agree with caronoel's system - I agree there should be a charge for seeing the doctor, just as there's a charge to see your car mechanic or accountant, but IMO it should be higher, and those on benefits should be exempted.

Well you can think that all you like, but it's not going to happen.

Pennywise

antrobus wrote: »

NHS "dentistry, opticians, pharmacy" are delivered by private enterprise under contract, for which a contribution is often expected. Might that be the difference.

Most GP practices are also private businesses, and they do charge for "add on" services.

westernpromise

Malthusian wrote: »

This will always be the case regardless of how much money you shovel into the NHS.

How would you create a system in which people got unhealthier the more money they had? Spray virulent bacteria around Waitrose? Punishment beatings for anyone above the higher rate tax threshold?



Everyone in this country, including the poor, can afford £10 for a GP appointment.

Personally however I don't agree with caronoel's system - I agree there should be a charge for seeing the doctor, just as there's a charge to see your car mechanic or accountant, but IMO it should be higher, and those on benefits should be exempted.

Just give everyone 3 GP visit vouchers per annum. After you've used them you have to pay for further visits.

Pennywise

westernpromise wrote: »

Just give everyone 3 GP visit vouchers per annum. After you've used them you have to pay for further visits.

How does that work when you get the usual runaround from the GP who can't diagnose and keeps you coming back several times before they solve your problem?

Comms69

The issue is that services are used most often when young and when old. Aged around 18-45 most people will not use either GP or ED even once per year.


So giving vouchers just doesn't work. In fact the whole premise doesn't work.


You want to fix the NHS? look after yourself, eat healthy, exercise, stop smoking, cut down on drinking. That's it.

POPPYOSCAR

Malthusian wrote: »

This will always be the case regardless of how much money you shovel into the NHS.

How would you create a system in which people got unhealthier the more money they had? Spray virulent bacteria around Waitrose? Punishment beatings for anyone above the higher rate tax threshold?



Everyone in this country, including the poor, can afford £10 for a GP appointment.

Personally however I don't agree with caronoel's system - I agree there should be a charge for seeing the doctor, just as there's a charge to see your car mechanic or accountant, but IMO it should be higher, and those on benefits should be exempted.

The rich can afford it ,the poor exempted. Squeeze the middle man yet again.

westernpromise

Pennywise wrote: »

How does that work when you get the usual runaround from the GP who can't diagnose and keeps you coming back several times before they solve your problem?

What, you mean the NHS is a bit rubbish and run for the convenience of the staff? Steady on, you're not allowed to say things like that about the heroes of the public sector.

westernpromise

Comms69 wrote: »

The issue is that services are used most often when young and when old. Aged around 18-45 most people will not use either GP or ED even once per year.


So giving vouchers just doesn't work. In fact the whole premise doesn't work.


You want to fix the NHS? look after yourself, eat healthy, exercise, stop smoking, cut down on drinking. That's it.

No, no, no. It's the state's job to look after you. Please get with the program.

antrobus

Comms69 wrote: »

So are GP services (except the contribution factor)

Some GP services are provided by the private sector. Most are public sector.

antrobus

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

And conversely the GP who does not believe someone has cancer and does not refer them until it is too late as happened with my 31 year old niece.

Of course that happens. Medical negligence is a fact of life.

What effect does that have on the NHS funding crisis?