How to solve the NHS funding crisis

antrobus

Cakeguts wrote: »

My mother was a radiographer. At that time they used photographic film that they had to process in a dark room. So you loaded the film into the plate in the dark room exposed it to take an x-ray of the patient and then took it back to the dark room and developed it. They had to check that they had got the right exposure and that they had an x-ray of the right part of the patient. They didn't need a degree to do this. Now you need a degree. It seems that the radiographers that are being trained now are stupid or slow learners in that with fewer skills needed and less to learn they need to get a degree. Why?

Don't know. But nursing is now graduate entry only as well. I think that's quite recent.

Thinking about it. When I went to university in, well lets see , I got a grant, so it was some time ago, I was in the top 5% or was it 10%. Now with every poly and technical college upgraded to a university it's more like 50%.

So I'd guess that 40 years a radiographer went to a tech and got a two year HND, now they go to the same institution under a different name and do a three year degree.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's the German model. Major centres can be a considerable distance away from where you live.

You need cheap, clean and regular public transport and then it works.

Pennywise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's the German model. Major centres can be a considerable distance away from where you live.

Unless you live in a major city, it's the reality of the UK model too.

Red-Squirrel_2

westernpromise wrote: »

Let me guess, is it a whitewash?

So you haven't then.

I would highly recommend it if you really care about what happened at Mid Staffs. Its very thorough.

Red-Squirrel_2

antrobus wrote: »

What I said was that medics and nurses "normally don't get involved with cleaning up blood, p*ss and sh*t".

They do though. I'm a nurse, I work in the community now, but I spent many years on wards cleaning up bodily fluids every day!

GwylimT

Cakeguts wrote: »

My mother was a radiographer. At that time they used photographic film that they had to process in a dark room. So you loaded the film into the plate in the dark room exposed it to take an x-ray of the patient and then took it back to the dark room and developed it. They had to check that they had got the right exposure and that they had an x-ray of the right part of the patient. They didn't need a degree to do this. Now you need a degree. It seems that the radiographers that are being trained now are stupid or slow learners in that with fewer skills needed and less to learn they need to get a degree. Why?

It was like this when my mother first became a midwife, however a radiorapher had little skill beyond taking and developing x-rays. They are now able to both diagnose and treat. Therapeutic radiographers also diagnose and treat many cancers.

What you are describing is now known as a technician, which does not require a degree, just on the job training that made lead to NVQs, just like HCA's.

westernpromise

Let's suppose we doubled the money spent on the NHS.

How we would solve its first funding crisis right after that?

Red-Squirrel_2

westernpromise wrote: »

Let's suppose we doubled the money spent on the NHS.

How we would solve its first funding crisis right after that?

You can read it here: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20150407084003/http://www.midstaffspublicinquiry.com/

There are 290 recommendations. See what you think.

Pennywise

westernpromise wrote: »

Let's suppose we doubled the money spent on the NHS.

How we would solve its first funding crisis right after that?

Labour trebled NHS spending and didn't "save it"!

Cakeguts

GwylimT wrote: »

It was like this when my mother first became a midwife, however a radiorapher had little skill beyond taking and developing x-rays. They are now able to both diagnose and treat. Therapeutic radiographers also diagnose and treat many cancers.

What you are describing is now known as a technician, which does not require a degree, just on the job training that made lead to NVQs, just like HCA's.

What do the technicians do apart from taking x-rays?