Dad buying council house

Guy_Montag

Fortunately the Scottish exec seem to be abolishing this travesty.

Argyll_2

Obviously Some People On This Forum Do Not Have A Grasp Of The English Language!

I Do Not Care About Your Opinions Of Whether Or Not My Fathers Rtb Is Fair Or Not. I Genuinely Asked A Valid Question On Behalf Of My Father.

If You Wish To Start A Debate About Whether Or Not The Rtb Scheme Is Fair Or Whether People Like My Father Are Entitled To Buy Then Please Start Your Own Thread And Stay Off Mine!!!

Argyll_2

Turnbull2000 wrote: »

The taxpayers don't owe you an inheritance. Go stand on your own two feet.

You are absolutely right that is why i have always worked and have never claimed any benefits since I left school to join the army. Oh I tell a lie my partner claims child allowance. So contrary to what you state I have always stood on my two feet.

As I stated the question was on behalf of my father and information for him so he may consider buying his council house. I really have no interest in the house and if I was to be left anything I would leave it in a bank account for my children, does that make me a bad person?

But basically what some of you are saying is that if your parent were to leave you and your siblings a house and you inherited say for instance £30,000 each then your morals would forbid you from accepting this because it was bought from the council and under the stated circumstances? Eh.............yeah right..............taxi for Turnbull!

May I suggest that you read threads properly and digest the information that is presented to you. That way perhaps in future I won't consider you to be an over opinionated idiot.

Curv

Argyll wrote: »

But basically what some of you are saying is that if your parent were to leave you and your siblings a house and you inherited say for instance £30,000 each then your morals would forbid you from accepting this because it was bought from the council and under the stated circumstances?

Absolutely spot on. Although my morals would also have forbidden me from encouraging them to buy the house PURELY so I would be able to inherit it, so your question is irrelevant.

Argyll wrote: »

May I suggest that you read threads properly and digest the information that is presented to you.

Hmmm... take your own advice, maybe?

Argyll wrote: »

That way perhaps in future I won't consider you to be an over opinionated idiot.

LOLOL... Ah, bless your little black heart for thinking I give a !!!!!! what you think

Gorgeous_George

Where does it stop?

Parents who bought their house from the council shouldn't be allowed to pass benefits to their children. What about people who bought on the open market but had their mortgages paid by income support? What about those who are disabled through sport or accidents at work?

What about those who worked for a loss-making nationalised industry - steel, coalminers, British Leyland?

What about the army of civil servants? Is it all of them or just those whose work effort YOU consider to be of no value?

Maybe those who bought before the boom should not be allowed to leave to their kids.

The OP is a friend, a fellow MSEer. To offer abuse or bad advice is not in the spirit of the MSE website. Yes, there is a risk with buying but, buying with a 60% discount is far less risky than buying at market value.

Many of us, myself included, believe rtb is wrong. That is Thatcher's fault and not the OP's or his dad's.

GG

Curv

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Many of us, myself included, believe rtb is wrong. That is Thatcher's fault and not the OP's or his dad's.

GG

God, I'm starting to see how SquatNow must feel, reeling the same thing off, time after time after time. However, the fact that I've said it before won't stop me from saying it again... With rights come responsibilities and just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.

What's that line about all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing? Well the OP (in all his innocence? Yeah, right! :rolleyes: ) isn't 'doing nothing', he's actively trying to persuade his father to take an ill-advised course of action for his own (the OP's) personal financial benefit. Sure, making a fast buck at the expense of the local authority, the tax payer and all the families crammed into B&Bs might make him some cash, but I hardly think it's part of the MSE ethos. So just because Argyll has posted on here - and not without aggression and rudeness - I'm supposed to condone his actions by saying nothing?

dolce_vita

and the t0sser sent me an abusive PM.

At least I don't have to rely on my father to provide an inheritance for MY kids

Gorgeous_George

Curv wrote: »

So just because Argyll has posted on here - and not without aggression and rudeness - I'm supposed to condone his actions by saying nothing?

If Argyll posts asking for MSE advice, that is what s/he should receive. 'Stealing' a council house that the council want to have 'stolen' is not as bad as what carpet-baggers have done to our children's building societies. If Argyll's dad doesn't buy his council house, you can bet your bottom dollar that the next tenant will.

Governments and councils do not want the hassle of owning these houses. Social housing is sadly a thing of the past. Should it be someone who has lived in the house for 40 years that takes the benefit or someone who moves in when the OP's dad's dead? Makes no difference to me.

GG

Curv

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

If Argyll posts asking for MSE advice, that is what s/he should receive.

He did receive advice... good, impartial advice from people with no axe to grind either way. He didn't like the advice and got stroppy.

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

'Stealing' a council house that the council want to have 'stolen' is not as bad as what carpet-baggers have done to our children's building societies.

Murder is 'worse' than burglary, but that doesn't make burglary acceptable, does it? Should we tell burglars that they might as well go ahead since there are worse things in the world?

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

If Argyll's dad doesn't buy his council house, you can bet your bottom dollar that the next tenant will.

That would depend whether the next tenant qualified, could afford it and how much of a conscience they had. But it's unlikely we'll ever find out, isn't it?

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Governments and councils do not want the hassle of owning these houses.

Who says?

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Social housing is sadly a thing of the past.

And that situation is unlikely to improve whilstever people shrug their shoulders and condone it's passing.

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Should it be someone who has lived in the house for 40 years that takes the benefit or someone who moves in when the OP's dad's dead?

No one should 'benefit' from buying it. If someone living in a council house feels they can afford a mortgage or open market rental rates, then they should free up the property for someone else. If they can't, then they should just carry on as they are.

As for what happens to the property after the OP's father's death, surely you would agree that it ought to be made available to one of the thousands of families or vulnerable people currently stuck in hostels or B&Bs?

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Makes no difference to me.

That's where you and I differ... it DOES make a difference to me.

seven-day-weekend

To Curv:

Why on earth should someone who is lucky enough to have a secure tenancy give it up for one where they can be chucked out in six months?? That's just crazy!

However I agree with George - the RTB was brought about by Thatcher to win votes/dismantle social housing (you'll notice New Labour have not reversed the legislation) and whether we agree with it or not it doesn't change the fact that these tenants have a right to buy their house.

I speak as someone who has benefitted indirectly from the RTB scheme and also as a mother of someone who, because of the RTBs removing houses from stock is unable to access any social housing. So I have been on both sides of the fence.

I personally think it is wrong but I would not slate someone for exercising their right. We all want the best for our families.