Frump to Fab 2018 - Fabulous Dahhhhlings

lessonlearned

Maman. I'm not sanguine at all. In fact I'm livid but obviously powerless.

Why am I so angry.

Well two words......Angela Merkel.

She has, and I can't believe her timing, but she has finally nailed her colours to the wall. Apparently she wants (and it transpires she's not the only one) but she is pushing for a Franco/German alliance with, wait for it, a STANDING ARMY.!!!!!

So there we have it ........the French and the Germans have finally admitted their end game........a militarised EU - exactly what we were promised would never happen, that It simply wasn't on the EU agenda. The EU would never be a military union. Yeah right.

Lies, lies, lies!!!! We have been sold a crock. I've always known it and my Belgian relatives and friends have always said it too. The EU was built on a pack of lies from the start. And anyone who has tried to issue warnings has been shouted down.

And this week of all weeks. 100 years since the Armistice. Two wretched world wars, all these millions dying in vain. She and her fellow conspirators should hang their heads in shame.

To make matters even worse they seemed determined to start a cold war with the USA. After all the US has done for France........not only financial backing and military hardware and weaponry but also sending US sons to shed blood for them.

No matter what we might think of Trump, he's only temporary. A POTUS only ever gets two terms at the most so he'll be gone soon enough. Maybe sooner, if the good people of America decide to impeach him and go shopping for a new president.

If I were American I would be enraged by what the EU are proposing and their stance against the US. In the words of Ronnie Regan I could understand if their gut reaction was to say "Nuke the b@@@@@@s". Such base ingratitude towards a nation that came to their rescue not once, but twice, beggars belief.

I think, now, whatever people may have originally have voted for and whatever the reasons for and against, it seems blindingly obvious we need to get out now whilst we still can.

Then hopefully, when The inevitable happens, and France and Germany decide to light the blue touch paper we might, just might, have a chance of remaining neutral and not getting embroiled in WW3.

I am just so surprised that the media and/or our precious politicians haven't picked up on this particular piece of sabre rattling. They seem to be quietly ignoring it in the hope it goes away.

Well it won't.

It's a warning shot over our bows and we ignore it at our peril. To my knowledge only Farage seems to have noticed the full implications of what they are now demanding and actually said something.

Once again, lions led by donkeys. So no, not sanguine at all. Whilst I didn't have any particular strong feelings about whether to stay or leave at first because I could see both sides of the argument this latest stunt by Merkel and Co has crystallised my thinking. I genuinely believe we really do need to get out now, deal or no deal.

humptydumptybits

I think it was Japan that brought the USA into WWII not any worries about the French.

moneyistooshorttomention

Trying to think how long ago I "knew" this would happen - ie an EU army. I think I was first warned about it about 30 years ago and my first reaction was "Nah - never LOL" - but I changed my mind over subsequent years and thought "They're right you know...".

So those "warnings" must have been there for years and that's how I've been sitting there expecting it.

So - not livid - just "Yeah right - and another reason I voted to Leave just proved right".....

Well hopefully that little comment from Merkel should "light the touchpaper" to shut up those people who keep calling for a second Referendum on this. Perhaps they'll accept our democratic verdict at last and shut up.:cool:

I've been cynically thinking those people trying to push their own personal viewpoint of "Let's have another referendum" have been reading about the way the Welsh voted against devolution by a sizeable majority and "Some people who wanted things the other way" pushed and pushed and pushed and thought "Blow democracy" and had another blinkin' Referendum. As I recall - they lost that one too - but because it was by a small percentage the second time they pushed to have Wales devolved anyway and got their way (for the time being.......:cool::cool::cool:).

That does NOT mean to say "pushers who won't accept democratic verdicts" would manage the same thing again if they keep screaming and yelling their little heads off for another Referendum on this issue.

So - yep...my verdict has always been "We need to get out - deal or no deal".

lessonlearned

humptydumptybits wrote: »

I think it was Japan that brought the USA into WWII not any worries about the French.

Yes I am aware that It was Pearl Harbour that eventually triggered US involvement in World War II. They might not have been involved at all if that had not been the case. Who knows.

The US was under pressure to enter the arena before then but it's true they did do their damndest to resist getting embroiled. But the fact remains that US troops were engaged in Europe and they did suffer losses, even if they were late to the party.

Who knows how things might have turned out if both the US and the Russians hadn't eventually pitched in. How much longer could Britain have held out. We will never know.

One of history's great "what ifs".

humptydumptybits

They weren't so slow at taking money of Europeans for supplies and equipment. No qualms when they were making money. Many people of many nations were involved in WWII but we have had over 70 years of peace in western Europe and if NATO is an issue then surely europe should be protecting itself.


We only finished paying the war debts in 2006. It was a great plan, if they thought it was important to US security they kindly allowed other nations to buy equipment from them ensuring security for them and a profit to boot.



Interestingly if you really want to stop a European army then staying in the EU is the best thing as then we can veto it.

lessonlearned

Possibily you maybe right.

As I have already said I have no real strong feelings about Brexit either way. I can see advantages and disadvantages in both courses of action.

humptydumptybits

I've been saying for sometime that my worry is medical/medicine supplies if there is no deal. Health Secretary has apparently said today that there is a chance people will die due to problems if it is a hard brexit. I didn't hear it, he was on lbc apparently so I can't confirm exactly what he said. As someone who needs my meds I'm not happy that people might die, certainly not happy that I might be one of them.


Of course you know only too well that even people who are well can be struck down without warning so although I have a vested interest other people should be aware of the danger.

humptydumptybits

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Trying to think how long ago I "knew" this would happen - ie an EU army. I think I was first warned about it about 30 years ago and my first reaction was "Nah - never LOL" - but I changed my mind over subsequent years and thought "They're right you know...".

So those "warnings" must have been there for years and that's how I've been sitting there expecting it.

So - not livid - just "Yeah right - and another reason I voted to Leave just proved right".....

Well hopefully that little comment from Merkel should "light the touchpaper" to shut up those people who keep calling for a second Referendum on this. Perhaps they'll accept our democratic verdict at last and shut up.:cool:

I've been cynically thinking those people trying to push their own personal viewpoint of "Let's have another referendum" have been reading about the way the Welsh voted against devolution by a sizeable majority and "Some people who wanted things the other way" pushed and pushed and pushed and thought "Blow democracy" and had another blinkin' Referendum. As I recall - they lost that one too - but because it was by a small percentage the second time they pushed to have Wales devolved anyway and got their way (for the time being.......:cool::cool::cool:).

That does NOT mean to say "pushers who won't accept democratic verdicts" would manage the same thing again if they keep screaming and yelling their little heads off for another Referendum on this issue.

So - yep...my verdict has always been "We need to get out - deal or no deal".

Sorry, it won't shut me up and as I said above if you really want to stop a European army then stay in the EU and veto it. Once we are out we have no say.

maman

Oh wow, I go out for lunch and the country falls apart (a bit more;)) while I'm not paying attention.

I do have strong feelings and opinions on this but one thing I'm absolutely certain of is that nobody voted for this mess. I'm not a particular fan of Mrs May but she has an impossible task. What I think I loathe most of all is that the main driver seems to be the internal politics of her party. :mad:

Someone posted (sorry can't remember who) about feeling powerless. I agree but if we could have some strong leadership soon I think we'll be out on the streets on this.

I often feel disappointed about the outcome of elections. But that's just 4 years maximum and then we can try again. This is much more serious.

humptydumptybits

maman is it all your fault for taking your eye off the ball?



I'm not a fan of May either but I have to say I think she coped well today, she must have had a rough few days and she took a battering in parliament but she held her head up and stood up to them. I have to admire that, credit where credit is due.